cop, legal immigrant, murdered by illegal immigrant in xmas day

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

is anyone saying we should
only prosecute illegals who get dui, but ignore citizens who get dui’s? why not punish everyone who drives drunk?

no one said that illegals are driving the dui epidemic. once again, responding to something that no one came close to saying.
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Point I was making was, DUI is a national issue, not an illegal immigration issue. Yesterday coming off cape from playing golf in Hyannis a guy maybe in his 50's almost side swipes me as he passed me and after watching him almost go off the road three times, I called 911 and bourne police then patched me through to the state police. This guy was hammered and an accident just waiting to happen and I backed way off as he went up on the bridge and he came within an inch from pounding into the tall curb, which likely would have shot his small SUV right back across into oncoming traffic. Our legal system just isn't doing the job to keep these repeat offenders off our roads and most are US citizens not illegal immigrants. Again, I'm all for reporting criminals to ICE if illegal, you want to be a US citizen, then you better have respect for our laws. If not send them home.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Point I was making was, DUI is a national issue, not an illegal immigration issue. Yesterday coming off cape from playing golf in Hyannis a guy maybe in his 50's almost side swipes me as he passed me and after watching him almost go off the road three times, I called 911 and bourne police then patched me through to the state police. This guy was hammered and an accident just waiting to happen and I backed way off as he went up on the bridge and he came within an inch from pounding into the tall curb, which likely would have shot his small SUV right back across into oncoming traffic. Our legal system just isn't doing the job to keep these repeat offenders off our roads and most are US citizens not illegal immigrants. Again, I'm all for reporting criminals to ICE if illegal, you want to be a US citizen, then you better have respect for our laws. If not send them home.

nobody said dui is an immigration issue. there is one issue, one. is it good policy to let illegals
stay, after they continue to commit crimes here? that’s the only question.

no one is saying all
immigrants are bad, or all drunks, or all cop
killers. no one.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

nobody said dui is an immigration issue. there is one issue, one. is it good policy to let illegals
stay, after they continue to commit crimes here? that’s the only question.

no one is saying all
immigrants are bad, or all drunks, or all cop
killers. no one.
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Nobody except POTUS
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Nobody except POTUS
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not true, and not relevant. he said
many are fine people. in the same talk where he said there are rapists and drug dealers, he said
many are fine people. why is it that your side always leaves that part out?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

not true, and not relevant. he said
many are fine people. in the same talk where he said there are rapists and drug dealers, he said
many are fine people. why is it that your side always leaves that part out?
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Well if I hear 100:1 ratio of the bad to good references from him, it’s hard to hear the one. His MO is say it enough times and people will believe it, pick a phrase he has repeated adnausium and the pattern is clear.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there is one issue, one. is it good policy to let illegals stay, after they continue to commit crimes here? that’s the only question.

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No
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

No
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but somehow, there are people who disagree. it’s our inability to agree on things this obvious, which makes me sad that i don’t know what unites us anymore.

people are passing laws
forbidding local cops
with alerting ICE to illegals
who commit crime. Do we have a supremacy clause or
not? what does it mean, why was it written?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

people are passing laws
forbidding local cops
with alerting ICE to illegals
who commit crime.
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Well, this isn’t really true. Even in CA which has the broadest sanctuary law anywhere there are like 800 crimes that are exempt. The point is to not focus on the petty stuff in exchange for better cooperation with the local PD and make a safer environment for everyone.

If an illegal is caught committing a violent crime, running drugs, a serious threat to safety etc... there’s nothing stopping local PD from working with ICE.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, this isn’t really true. Even in CA which has the broadest sanctuary law anywhere there are like 800 crimes that are exempt. The point is to not focus on the petty stuff in exchange for better cooperation with the local PD and make a safer environment for everyone.

If an illegal is caught committing a violent crime, running drugs, a serious threat to safety etc... there’s nothing stopping local PD from working with ICE.
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So local police should overlook reporting an illegal if the illegal is committing a petty crime. Illegals should only be reported to ICE if they commit violent crimes. And if illegals commit no crimes, they also should not be reported to ICE.

I can see why the Dems want to eliminate ICE. The local police would incarcerate the illegals who commit violent crimes. The rest are not worth deporting just because they are illegal. If they're not committing violent crimes they have the perfect right to be here.

Not only is ICE irrelevant by that reasoning, immigration laws are also useless and unnecessary. What's all the fuss about reforming immigration laws? Just scrap them. Who needs a wall when their is no reason to keep people out. If they're violent, the local police will take care of it.

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Originally Posted by detbuch

So local police should overlook reporting an illegal if the illegal is committing a petty crime. Illegals should only be reported to ICE if they commit violent crimes. And if illegals commit no crimes, they also should not be reported to ICE.

I can see why the Dems want to eliminate ICE. The local police would incarcerate the illegals who commit violent crimes. The rest are not worth deporting just because they are illegal. If they're not committing violent crimes they have the perfect right to be here.

Not only is ICE irrelevant by that reasoning, immigration laws are also useless and unnecessary. What's all the fuss about reforming immigration laws? Just scrap them. Who needs a wall when their is no reason to keep people out. If they're violent, the local police will take care of it.

Immigration law is federal jurisdiction, I think the local police can determine what works best in their municipalities. If you have an undocumented person working and paying taxes, hell maybe they even have a few kids that are US citizens, deporting them and breaking up the family because they got a speeding ticket isn’t going to benefit the community, even worse if they can be a witness to a crime they’re afraid to report for fear of deportation.

Need comprehensive reform.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, this isn’t really true. Even in CA which has the broadest sanctuary law anywhere there are like 800 crimes that are exempt. The point is to not focus on the petty stuff in exchange for better cooperation with the local PD and make a safer environment for everyone.

If an illegal is caught committing a violent crime, running drugs, a serious threat to safety etc... there’s nothing stopping local PD from working with ICE.
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Astounding!

DUI is not a serious threat to safety? People die every day from drunk drivers. What makes you think this way? Petty?
You obviously don’t get it

If law enforcement is not going to enforce law, why should we follow the laws? You and the rest of them are deplorable.

I should not have to go through life worried about some illegal alien criminal driving into me or worse because some liberal politicians decided it would be too much of an inconvenience for local PD to make a phone call. WTF planet do you live in?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Astounding!

DUI is not a serious threat to safety? People die every day from drunk drivers. What makes you think this way? Petty?
You obviously don’t get it

If law enforcement is not going to enforce law, why should we follow the laws? You and the rest of them are deplorable.

I should not have to go through life worried about some illegal alien criminal driving into me or worse because some liberal politicians decided it would be too much of an inconvenience for local PD to make a phone call. WTF planet do you live in?
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DUI is still a misdemeanor in most cases, how many members of Congress have got them or even President? Doesn’t mean it’s not serious but please...
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, this isn’t really true. Even in CA which has the broadest sanctuary law anywhere there are like 800 crimes that are exempt. The point is to not focus on the petty stuff in exchange for better cooperation with the local PD and make a safer environment for everyone.

If an illegal is caught committing a violent crime, running drugs, a serious threat to safety etc... there’s nothing stopping local PD from working with ICE.
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but CA law prohibited cops from telling ICE about his two DUIs. why is that good policy? that’s the only issue here, i’m asking for the third time why it’s a good idea. what will it take for you to answer that question, as i asked it?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but CA law prohibited cops from telling ICE about his two DUIs. why is that good policy? that’s the only issue here, i’m asking for the third time why it’s a good idea. what will it take for you to answer that question, as i asked it?
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We know he was arrested twice for DUI but I don’t know if he was ever convicted. If the DUIs didn’t have aggravating factors I’m not sure that just because he’s illegal makes much of a difference. If he got a third he could have faced harsher charges that didn’t have any protection.

You have to draw a line somewhere. DUI is probably on the upper end.
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[jc10]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Point I was making was, DUI is a national issue, not an illegal immigration issue. Yesterday coming off cape from playing golf in Hyannis a guy maybe in his 50's almost side swipes me as he passed me and after watching him almost go off the road three times, I called 911 and bourne police then patched me through to the state police. This guy was hammered and an accident just waiting to happen and I backed way off as he went up on the bridge and he came within an inch from pounding into the tall curb, which likely would have shot his small SUV right back across into oncoming traffic. Our legal system just isn't doing the job to keep these repeat offenders off our roads and most are US citizens not illegal immigrants. Again, I'm all for reporting criminals to ICE if illegal, you want to be a US citizen, then you better have respect for our laws. If not send them home.

Well said about reporting to ICE. I can't believe I live in a country in which the mayor of a major city - Oakland - can get away with doing just the opposite .... "Hey you illegals, especially those of you who are criminals, look out. ICE is coming". Why isn't she in jail?