Trump tweeted he will "Address the Nation

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

I am amazed at how some of you guys can see and yet not believe anything.... Some days I think there is no hope for our great country. The evidence is overwhelming that there is a HUGE problem with our unsecured borders and you think that it's all perfectly fine....

There's the rub, nobody thinks we shouldn't pay attention to security at our borders. The evidence characterizes the problem much differently than the justification being used to push a half baked politically motivated solution.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

There's the rub, nobody thinks we shouldn't pay attention to security at our borders. The evidence characterizes the problem much differently than the justification being used to push a half baked politically motivated solution.

There has been no fully baked solution. A wall is part of the bake. The problem is being characterized by politicians on both sides. The push for "comprehensive reform" in the past was usually a ruse to put it off until other conditions were met first, such as passing continuing resolution or some such thing. The "reform" never actually followed. There is no fully baked reform plan being offered, and if we put it off till after we pass a continuing resolution, the plan will remain unbaked. That is the model, the evidence, of how it has been done to this point--your notion of how the evidence characterizes the problem notwithstanding. It depends on whose evidence.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

There has been no fully baked solution. A wall is part of the bake. The problem is being characterized by politicians on both sides. The push for "comprehensive reform" in the past was usually a ruse to put it off until other conditions were met first, such as passing continuing resolution or some such thing. The "reform" never actually followed. There is no fully baked reform plan being offered, and if we put it off till after we pass a continuing resolution, the plan will remain unbaked. That is the model, the evidence, of how it has been done to this point--your notion of how the evidence characterizes the problem notwithstanding. It depends on whose evidence.

Comprehensive plans are out there, the problem largely has been politicians that can't come to terms with the fact that undocumented immigrants are an important part of the American system.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Comprehensive plans are out there, the problem largely has been politicians that can't come to terms with the fact that undocumented immigrants are an important part of the American system.

Your laying another slick nothing egg. A variety of tactical lying.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Your laying another slick nothing egg. A variety of tactical lying.

Root cause analysis.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Root cause analysis.

Shmugagee.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by spence
Root cause analysis.

Originally Posted by detbuch

Shmugagee.

I think you’ve put him over the edge of his flat earth
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

Comprehensive plans are out there, the problem largely has been demagogue politicians like Pelosi and Schumer that can't come to terms with the fact that Americans want our country secure and for a path for legal immigration to work better in our system so they rile up their base claiming they beat their adversary as if it is some kind of contest battle but the people see thru them unless they drink the koolaid.

fixed it for you

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

fixed it for you

Support for President Trump’s border wall hit a record high in a new Quinnipiac University poll Tuesday, but a majority of Americans still oppose the project, saying it’s a waste that isn’t needed to improve border security.

The poll found 43 percent do support the wall, but 54 percent oppose it and say it won’t help secure the southern boundary.

But CBS News polling from mid-November found that a majority -- 59 percent of Americans -- oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. It's a partisan issue, though. A large majority of Republicans support the wall -- 79 percent. A majority of independents -- 66 percent -- oppose the wall, and 84 percent of Democrats are also against it.

Yep it's all about national security

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Support for President Trump’s border wall hit a record high in a new Quinnipiac University poll Tuesday, but a majority of Americans still oppose the project, saying it’s a waste that isn’t needed to improve border security.

The poll found 43 percent do support the wall, but 54 percent oppose it and say it won’t help secure the southern boundary.

But CBS News polling from mid-November found that a majority -- 59 percent of Americans -- oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. It's a partisan issue, though. A large majority of Republicans support the wall -- 79 percent. A majority of independents -- 66 percent -- oppose the wall, and 84 percent of Democrats are also against it.

Yep it's all about national security

Yup. It is. I took a poll among my friends. 100% for the wall.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Yup. It is. I took a poll among my friends. 100% for the wall.

Does that consist of, me, myself and I?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Comprehensive plans are out there, the problem largely has been politicians that can't come to terms with the fact that undocumented immigrants are an important part of the American system.

No, they're not. There isn't the same demand for unskilled labor that there was a generation ago.