Trump tweeted he will "Address the Nation

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Please this shut down is not remotely the same as Obama’s shut down but once agin you show your skills off suggesting they are the same

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Actually, Obama's was worse as it affected every Department. This one doesn't affect a lot of the DoD as they are already funded through 2019

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Actually, Obama's was worse as it affected every Department. This one doesn't affect a lot of the DoD as they are already funded through 2019

I would like to see WDMSO's response to this, I really would.

I can't imagine that furloughed workers will not get back pay. But it can create a hardship, especially at Christmastime, if they racked up credit card debt that they now have to pay interest on. And many of them live paycheck to paycheck (I do), what if their mortgage is due Friday?

The solution is so friggin simple. Dems give Trump 5B for his wall, the GOP agrees to give the Dems what they want on DACA, leading to legal residence but not citizenship. Everybody gets something they like, everybody has to deal with something they don't like.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The solution is so friggin simple. Dems give Trump 5B for his wall, the GOP agrees to give the Dems what they want on DACA, leading to legal residence but not citizenship. Everybody gets something they like, everybody has to deal with something they don't like.

Schumer already floated this and Trump rejected it.
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[DZ]

Obviously both sides are looking for a win.

So which side will take the high road and cave on the issue?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by DZ

Obviously both sides are looking for a win.

So which side will take the high road and cave on the issue?

It will be fascinating to see the answer to that. Both sides would look very weak by caving completely.

[spence]

Originally Posted by DZ

Obviously both sides are looking for a win.

So which side will take the high road and cave on the issue?

I think we’ll know more after Trump meets with Senate Republicans today. They’re starting to defect and I don’t see how McConnell can continue to block the vote if there’s a veto proof majority. I’d think that would be a great eff you after Trump burned him last month.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Schumer already floated this and Trump rejected it.
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Says who? Mike Pence was on TV this weekend, and he said DACA was on the table as a deal for the wall. I saw Pence say it. Lindsay Graham is also saying it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Says who? Mike Pence was on TV this weekend, and he said DACA was on the table as a deal for the wall. I saw Pence say it. Lindsay Graham is also saying it.

Says the news peoples.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

Says the news peoples.
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Actual NEWS people? or biased news people who tend to make things up?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Actual NEWS people? or biased news people who tend to make things up?

I try to avoid the fake stuff.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I can't imagine that furloughed workers will not get back pay. But it can create a hardship, especially at Christmastime, if they racked up credit card debt that they now have to pay interest on. And many of them live paycheck to paycheck (I do), what if their mortgage is due Friday?

I hear ya, I'm not saying it's not going to create hardship, just putting it out there that as of today, pay hasn't been affected. It will, come Friday and it will suck for a lot of people.

I agree that they need to stop playing stupid friggin games and having hissy fits, and do their #^&#^&#^&#^&ing job and fix it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Actually, Obama's was worse as it affected every Department. This one doesn't affect a lot of the DoD as they are already funded through 2019

Bigger in scope but 2013 was a result primarily of Republican efforts to defund existing law, not create new spending.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Bigger in scope but 2013 was a result primarily of Republican efforts to defund existing law, not create new spending.
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wdmso said the shutdown was bad because it effected workers. from that perspective, obama’s shutdown was at least as bad for those impacted.

andnthe new spending the gop seeks, is something the dems agreed to not long ago.

This is politics at its worst, both sides in Congress at their political worst, all exacerbated by the Trump factor. And regular people get hurt.

we all need to rethink the kind of people we want in DC. we need more regular people ( who actually work, build things, help people, and solve problems), folks who want to go, serve a term, and get the hell out of there.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Bigger in scope
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Fixed it, as that's all the people affected by a shutdown really need to know.