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[Slipknot]

ya I know, fake news and all
people lie all the time yada yada yada

just admit that progressivism has no end, it goes after more and more and never ends

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

ya I know, fake news and all
people lie all the time yada yada yada

just admit that progressivism has no end, it goes after more and more and never ends

Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive especially social security, they can’t apply for Medicare or Medicaid or welfare or food stamps.

This isn’t fake blah, it’s well documented and the law.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive especially social security, they can’t apply for Medicare or Medicaid or welfare or food stamps.

This isn’t fake blah, it’s well documented and the law.
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There's absolutely no way that's true. Do you EVER tire of being so deceptive? While illegal aliens themselves are banned from many welfare programs, their children born here, are not. More than 60% receive some kind of welfare, and they have more kids than American citizens, and public education is astronomically expensive. They can, and do, go the emergency room for medical treatment.

No group of 10 million people, most of whom barely have a high school diploma and don't speak English, will avoid being a drain. Maybe in my parents' generation when you could go to the factory, work hard, and provide for your family. Not anymore.

You really are something.

https://newspunch.com/63-percent-imm...elfare-census/

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There's absolutely no way that's true. Do you EVER tire of being so deceptive? While illegal aliens themselves are banned from many welfare programs, their children born here, are not. More than 60% receive some kind of welfare, and they have more kids than American citizens, and public education is astronomically expensive. They can, and do, go the emergency room for medical treatment.

No group of 10 million people, most of whom barely have a high school diploma and don't speak English, will avoid being a drain. Maybe in my parents' generation when you could go to the factory, work hard, and provide for your family. Not anymore.

You really are something.

https://newspunch.com/63-percent-imm...elfare-census/

Hey, just apply the "document" con, and the selectively applied law con, and the statistic con, and the talking point con, and the compassion con, and the "most people believe" con, and the racist sexist, multi-phobe con, the fact check con, the WAPOST, NYT, CNN, liberal media con, the Trump is biggest liar of all time con, the endless number of genders con, the living breathing Constitution con, the right wing is Nazi, Fascist con, and the con only applies to Trump con . . . and you have the foundation for a slick big con.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There's absolutely no way that's true. Do you EVER tire of being so deceptive? While illegal aliens themselves are banned from many welfare programs, their children born here, are not. More than 60% receive some kind of welfare, and they have more kids than American citizens, and public education is astronomically expensive. They can, and do, go the emergency room for medical treatment.

Why wouldn't an American citizen be entitled to benefits?

The cost/benefit issue has been studied a million times...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Why wouldn't an American citizen be entitled to benefits?

The cost/benefit issue has been studied a million times...

and liars like you can make data say what they want it to say. 10-20 million people, with no education or skills, who don’t speak english. producing millions and
millions and millions of
kids who are american citizens, but on whom we will
spend billions and billions in education, ESL resources, subsidized food, medicine, healthcare, housing.

it’s obvious that it’s a massive financial drain.

soemce, my town will spend 39k a year to educate my 3 kids, for 13 years. that’s 507k, and
my kids get NOTHING extra - no special
help or services whatsoever. it will take
me decades of paying enormous taxes, just to cover the education cost. illegalsmpay less in taxes than i do, and utilize far more services. it’s not anywhere close to a break even proposition. we need kire police and fire departments, we build more schools...it’s absurd.

and i’m talking about welfare. social
m security is not welfare, from where i sit, it’s a ripoff for
many people who are forced to participate. sonstating tjat illegals don’t receive SS, doesn’t make them bargains. Retirees who collect SS paid into it their whole lives.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There's absolutely no way that's true. Do you EVER tire of being so deceptive? While illegal aliens themselves are banned from many welfare programs, their children born here, are not. More than 60% receive some kind of welfare, and they have more kids than American citizens, and public education is astronomically expensive. They can, and do, go the emergency room for medical treatment.

No group of 10 million people, most of whom barely have a high school diploma and don't speak English, will avoid being a drain. Maybe in my parents' generation when you could go to the factory, work hard, and provide for your family. Not anymore.

You really are something.

https://newspunch.com/63-percent-imm...elfare-census/

After looking at your link, nice source by the way, I’d note it cites the same data we debunked a few weeks ago as not reinforcing your point. Read, think.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

After looking at your link, nice source by the way, I’d note it cites the same data we debunked a few weeks ago as not reinforcing your point. Read, think.
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you don’t like the source.

Do the kids of illegals qualify for welfare, yes or no.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you don’t like the source.

Do the kids of illegals qualify for welfare, yes or no.
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Why would that matter

Second-generation Americans—the 20 million adult U.S.-born children of immigrants—are substantially better off than immigrants themselves on key measures of socioeconomic attainment, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data. They have higher incomes; more are college graduates and homeowners; and fewer live in poverty. In all of these measures, their characteristics resemble those of the full U.S. adult population.

Hispanics and Asian Americans make up about seven-in-ten of today’s adult immigrants and about half of today’s adult second generation. Pew Research surveys find that the second generations of both groups are much more likely than the immigrants to speak English; to have friends and spouses outside their ethnic or racial group, to say their group gets along well with others, and to think of themselves as a “typical American.”

The Pew Research surveys also find that second-generation Hispanics and Asian Americans place more importance than does the general public on hard work and career success. They are more inclined to call themselves liberal and less likely to identify as Republicans. And for the most part they are more likely to say their standard of living is higher than that of their parents at the same stage of life. In all of these measures, the second generation resembles the immigrant generation more closely than the general public.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you don’t like the source.

Do the kids of illegals qualify for welfare, yes or no.
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Any website that proudly displays its bias is instantly suspect.

As for kids of illegals, if they were born here they are citizens then they may qualify for some as they rightly should. You’re conflating data points in your highly biased link between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants by the way.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Any website that proudly displays its bias is instantly suspect.

.
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you are always suspect

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive especially social security, they can’t apply for Medicare or Medicaid or welfare or food stamps.

This isn’t fake blah, it’s well documented and the law.
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Social security? You are talking out your ass

When employers deduct SS and sent it in and the number does not exist or match, the money is returned to the employer because it has no place to be assigned to. What do you think it just goes into the general fund? I thought you know how things work.

The services they cost us are higher than you think. If you want more of them here, have at it. I am just telling you the truth.

documented where by law?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Social security? You are talking out your ass

When employers deduct SS and sent it in and the number does not exist or match, the money is returned to the employer because it has no place to be assigned to. What do you think it just goes into the general fund? I thought you know how things work.

The services they cost us are higher than you think. If you want more of them here, have at it. I am just telling you the truth.

documented where by law?

This isn’t true. If there’s a mismatch between an SSN and name the money is held by the government in an earnings suspense file account.

I believe the SS amount illegals pay is believed to be something like 5 or 6 billion a year.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

This isn’t true. If there’s a mismatch between an SSN and name the money is held by the government in an earnings suspense file account.

I believe the SS amount illegals pay is believed to be something like 5 or 6 billion a year.
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then the people I know who had it returned must have been lucky

sounds like a good place to use the money to build a wall

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive especially social security
.
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why would illegal immigrants get social security?