Is Trump a dealmaker?

[PaulS]

How can anyone be considered a good deal maker when he shows his hand constantly? Before entering a shutdown where the goal is to get people to believe it is the other side's fault, he took total blame for it. Amatuer move.

He should have read his book that he didn't write.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How can anyone be considered a good deal maker when he shows his hand constantly? Before entering a shutdown where the goal is to get people to believe it is the other side's fault, he took total blame for it. Amatuer move.

He should have read his book that he didn't write.

Again, your side is really getting in the habit of claiming a generalization is true, because you can point to one specific example.

In your other thread, you tried to prove that Obama hatred was as bad as Trump hatred, by listing a few specific examples of Obama hatred. It doesn't work that way. Showing that there was more than zero Obama hatred, doesn't mean that Trump hatred isn't way worse.

Same here. Listing examples of his bad deals, doesn't make him a bad dealmaker. You list all of his deals, compare the good and the bad, and see if the good outweighs the bad, or vice versa.

You know this. But you aren't capable of that degree of fairness because you hate the man.

I concede that I despised Obama, I hated his personality, his style, his policy, almost everything about him. But he did some great things with the economy, and he did some great things in the war on terror.

You need to honestly evaluate the good and the bad Paul. If you ignore the good and fixate on the bad, I admit, he looks pretty damn bad.

How many stories do you think CNN and MSNBC have done, interviewing people who were unemployed but now have good jobs? Or families like mine who received a little bump in take-home pay thanks to the tax cuts?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How many stories do you think CNN and MSNBC have done, interviewing people who were unemployed but now have good jobs? Or families like mine who received a little bump in take-home pay thanks to the tax cuts?

Trump started calling the media fake very early in his campaign and he's been "working the referee" ever since.
He's good at it, but referees get tough on teams that do that.
If you want a fair shake, you need to play ball within the rules.
Otherwise they will foul you out, call you for holding, pass interference or you'll throw more balls and less strikes.
It's not the way the game should be played, but the guy working the ref is typically a crybaby at heart anyways.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Again, your side is really getting in the habit of claiming a generalization is true, because you can point to one specific example.

In your other thread, you tried to prove that Obama hatred was as bad as Trump hatred, by listing a few specific examples of Obama hatred. It doesn't work that way. Showing that there was more than zero Obama hatred, doesn't mean that Trump hatred isn't way worse.something like 40% of Repubs. believed (and I'm sure many still do) that Obama was a Muslim and not born here with zero proof. If that doesn't demonstrate hatred, what does?

Same here. Listing examples of his bad deals, doesn't make him a bad dealmaker. You list all of his deals, compare the good and the bad, and see if the good outweighs the bad, or vice versa.It has been shown that he could have made more $ by selling everything his father left/gave him and putting it an index fund and he would be worth more than he his worth now.

You know this. But you aren't capable of that degree of fairness because you hate the man.I dislike him bc he is a vile, petty crass, vindicative, etc. Prob. the same reasons I would hate a person down the street if they act like him.

I concede that I despised Obama, I hated his personality, his style, his policy, almost everything about him. But he did some great things with the economy, and he did some great things in the war on terror.

You need to honestly evaluate the good and the bad Paul. If you ignore the good and fixate on the bad, I admit, he looks pretty damn bad.

How many stories do you think CNN and MSNBC have done, interviewing people who were unemployed but now have good jobs? Or families like mine who received a little bump in take-home pay thanks to the tax cuts?

But the tax cuts are never going to pay for themselves like we were promised. Everyone not in the admin. said that and that is turning out to be the case. I have told you before, not everyone here makes what you make so the tax cuts where inconsequential to many people. Plus until I actually do my taxes I don't know if it benefits me or not bc of my propery taxes deduction is now limited.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But the tax cuts are never going to pay for themselves like we were promised. Everyone not in the admin. said that and that is turning out to be the case. I have told you before, not everyone here makes what you make so the tax cuts where inconsequential to many people. Plus until I actually do my taxes I don't know if it benefits me or not bc of my propery taxes deduction is now limited.

"something like 40% of Repubs. believed (and I'm sure many still do) that Obama was a Muslim "

Lots of stupid people out there on my side. But you aren't commenting at all on Trump derangement, so I can't tell which president you feel was treated worse. You're only presenting one side, the side that helps your cause.

"It has been shown that he could have made more $ by selling everything his father left/gave him and putting it an index fund and he would be worth more than he his worth now"

As far as I can tell, he turned money onto more money, in a tough business. I also heard he didn't do better than an index fund. I haven't seen the math.

"I dislike him bc he is a vile, petty crass, vindicative, etc"

me too. I agree with you 100%. But unlike most people who dislike him, I can set aside my disdain when evaluating whether or not his policies help.

"But the tax cuts are never going to pay for themselves like we were promised"

They rarely do, anyone who says different is a liar. Most government programs run up debt. Obama added more dollars to the debt, I think, than everyone before him (much of that was the wars he inherited, so not on him). But the stimulus cost $750B and won't pay for itself, and I don't know anyone who benefitted from it. I know a lot of people benefitting from the tax cut. That's the difference, and it's a big difference in my mind.