Double standard

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So people have said that MAGA really means nothing more than support of Trump and that support has no racial aspect to it. If that is the case why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams. Seems like these students don't understand the true meaning of MAGA.

"A year and five days ago, I wrote for the first time about a phenomenon at high school games: white fans -- mainly students -- chanting "Trump" or waving Trump signs to try to initimidate opposing teams that had a larger nonwhite representation among its players. Alas, it's a trend that isn't abating -- reflecting other acts of cruelty by adults that have taken place as some white are emboldened by Donald Trump's presidential victory (and his executive actions against, for example, Muslims and immigrants) to lash out against minorities.

It's happening all over -- in the last few months, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Iowa and Oklahoma. An Indiana coach blamed Trump's emboldening of racists for his black players being on the receiving end of racial slurs off the court."

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Earth to Paul...there are some jerks out there, some stupid people, some mean people, some racist people, and they are on both sides. We don't take their behavior, and hold accountable everyone who voted the same way they did.

If I see someone in a Red Sox hat kill someone, does that say anything about other Red Sox fans?

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Where was the evidence that Trump was to blame? It's very easy to blame him. Show me the proof.

He's not a good guy, not even close. But your side is trying to make him out to be much more. They said McCain was racist, and that Romney hated women. You lose credibility when you endlessly try to demonize everyone who is apolitical threat.

Can we ever talk about his policies? Ever? No one here disagrees that his behavior is disgusting. But he's not inciting racism.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Earth to Paul...there are some jerks out there, some stupid people, some mean people, some racist people, and they are on both sides. We don't take their behavior, and hold accountable everyone who voted the same way they did.No, but you can hold accountable people who are wearing MAGA hats who are yelling things that people can view as racist. After enough people in MAGA hats (not red hats, but red hats w/MAGA on them) yell racist things the data is credible enough to know that you are more likely to find a racist person who has a MAGA hat than you are in the general population w/o the hat. You're an actuary so you know that is true. It is not saying by any stretch that all MAGA wearing people are racist.

If I see someone in a Red Sox hat kill someone, does that say anything about other Red Sox fans?

"why are the many instances of students at games chanting MAGA or Trump to minority students on other teams"

Where was the evidence that Trump was to blame? It's very easy to blame him. Show me the proof.past comments - sheethole countries, etc.

He's not a good guy, not even close. But your side is trying to make him out to be much more. They said McCain was racist, and that Romney hated women. You lose credibility when you endlessly try to demonize everyone who is apolitical threat. Who is "they"? Are you doing exactly what you just railed against in your 2nd sentence above?

Can we ever talk about his policies? Ever? No one here disagrees that his behavior is disgusting. But he's not inciting racism.

Why talk about his policies when he is such a vile, disgusting person who still has like 38% approval rating - which prob. translates into 90% of Republicans.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Why talk about his policies when he is such a vile, disgusting person who still has like 38% approval rating - which prob. translates into 90% of Republicans.

"but you can hold accountable people who are wearing MAGA hats who are yelling things that people can view as racist"

Fine. Hold THEM accountable. But don't transfer their guilt, to people who wear a similar baseball cap who aren't doing anything wrong. The hat is irrelevant. The person, and his actions, are what matter.

"the data is credible enough to know that some people wearing those hats are racist "

Agreed. But the hat doesn't make them racist, their actions do.

"you are more likely to find a racist person who has a MAGA hat than you are in the general population"

I don't concede that for a second.

"Where was the evidence that Trump was to blame? It's very easy to blame him. Show me the proof.past comments - sheethole countries, etc"

Did the kids claim that Trump made them do it? Or are you just speculating?

"Why talk about his policies when he is such a vile, disgusting person "

Because his policies are what actually matter, they are what effect us. And the alternative in the 2016 election, was also a vile disgusting person.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Because his policies are what actually matter, they are what effect us.

How much time was spent discussing Obama's mom jeans, his "treasonous" wearing of the brown suit, his disrespect for the White House bc he once put is feet up on the desk, his disrespect for the military/flag bc he saluted w/a cup of coffee in his hand, etc.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How much time was spent discussing Obama's mom jeans, his "treasonous" wearing of the brown suit, his disrespect for the White House bc he once put is feet up on the desk, his disrespect for the military/flag bc he saluted w/a cup of coffee in his hand, etc.

not that much actually...and the mom jeans were pretty funny

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

not that much actually...and the mom jeans were pretty funny

Still got those pictures in case anyone doesn't know what we are talking about?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How much time was spent discussing Obama's mom jeans, his "treasonous" wearing of the brown suit, his disrespect for the White House bc he once put is feet up on the desk, his disrespect for the military/flag bc he saluted w/a cup of coffee in his hand, etc.

Now I have to look up Obama mom jeans. I don't have any idea what that was. And sure, I poked fun at Obama. Not hundreds of times, not every single day. This is all day, every day.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Now I have to look up Obama mom jeans. I don't have any idea what that was. And sure, I poked fun at Obama. Not hundreds of times, not every single day. This is all day, every day.

Perhaps it is because Trumps goal is to be in the news everyday, all day and he is quite effective at it.

Numerous experienced politicians have told him he'd get more accomplished if he behaved differently.

He has not changed.

And so far his legislative accomplishments are not noteworthy.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps it is because Trumps goal is to be in the news everyday, all day and he is quite effective at it.

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Bill Clinton started that...Obama was pretty good at it too....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

And so far his legislative accomplishments are not noteworthy.

well...he's not a legislator

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps it is because Trumps goal is to be in everybody's head everyday, all day and he is quite effective at it.

Fixed it

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

And so far his legislative accomplishments are not noteworthy.

Except my net pay is up, my IRA is up, GDP is up, unemployment is down, and ISIL is having a rough time...

Pete, when you ignore his accomplishments, I agree it's easy to say he hasn't done anything.