Democrats and Communists

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Your banging you head against a wall, everything I hear says the means justify the ends. If the house doesn’t move on impeachment it’s just fine, because all these public hearings are going to leave Trump with only his one third base for 2020; assuming he can even keep that.
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This has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. Can you please respond to the video?

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Your banging you head against a wall, everything I hear says the means justify the ends. If the house doesn’t move on impeachment it’s just fine, because all these public hearings are going to leave Trump with only his one third base for 2020; assuming he can even keep that.
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Is this a prediction of yours or just a belief that is based on “ everything that you hear”?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

everything I hear says the means justify the ends.


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I think you need your hearing checked

[wdmso]

1st line Democrats have allowed Communist to infiltrate their Party ...

conservatives Porn brought to them By a New Zealander ?

[JohnR]

Scott. Democrats have been aligned with Soviet / Communists / Marxists since, well, going on a century now. Hell Bernie has been calling for Revolution for decades - is this propaganda?

Socialists with a Pen or Communists with a Gun, eventually the Gun wins at a terrible cost. Sometimes, hopefully, Freedom eventually wins but usually there is a significant amount of blood.

Socialism/Communism are incompatible with Freedom. Capitalism (properly governed) can support Freedom.

Today's Russia is working both sides of the US political divide against each other, and they are succeeding. To not recognize this is to only fool one's self.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Democrats have been aligned with Soviet / Communists / Marxists since, well, going on a century now.

colluding

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Scott. Democrats have been aligned with Soviet / Communists / Marxists since, well, going on a century now. Hell Bernie has been calling for Revolution for decades - is this propaganda?

Socialists with a Pen or Communists with a Gun, eventually the Gun wins at a terrible cost. Sometimes, hopefully, Freedom eventually wins but usually there is a significant amount of blood.

Socialism/Communism are incompatible with Freedom. Capitalism (properly governed) can support Freedom.

Today's Russia is working both sides of the US political divide against each other, and they are succeeding. To not recognize this is to only fool one's self.

15 years ago, bernie was a fringe laughingstock. now he’s absolutey mainstream in that party, and his views haven’t changed. the party is sprinting a million miles
to the left. they attacked Biden for saying Pence is “ a decent guy”. Democrats are no longer allowed to say that about anyone who disagrees with them.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Scott. Democrats have been aligned with Soviet / Communists / Marxists since, well, going on a century now. Hell Bernie has been calling for Revolution for decades - is this propaganda?

Socialists with a Pen or Communists with a Gun, eventually the Gun wins at a terrible cost. Sometimes, hopefully, Freedom eventually wins but usually there is a significant amount of blood.

Socialism/Communism are incompatible with Freedom. Capitalism (properly governed) can support Freedom.

Today's Russia is working both sides of the US political divide against each other, and they are succeeding. To not recognize this is to only fool one's self.

15 years ago, bernie was a fringe laughingstock. now he’s absolutey mainstream in that party, and his views haven’t changed. the party is sprinting a million miles
to the left. they attacked Biden for saying Pence is “ a decent guy”. Democrats are no longer allowed to say that about anyone who disagrees with them.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

15 years ago, bernie was a fringe laughingstock. now he’s absolutey mainstream in that party, and his views haven’t changed. the party is sprinting a million miles
to the left. they attacked Biden for saying Pence is “ a decent guy”. Democrats are no longer allowed to say that about anyone who disagrees with them.
mute leadernif the party, cortez, is making a list of those who dare to vote with the gop
on a bill.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

15 years ago, bernie was a fringe laughingstock. now he’s absolutey mainstream in that party, and his views haven’t changed. the party is sprinting a million miles
to the left. they attacked Biden for saying Pence is “ a decent guy”. Democrats are no longer allowed to say that about anyone who disagrees with them.
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Actress and activist Cynthia Nixon tweeted, @JoeBiden you’ve just called America’s most anti-LGBT elected leader “a decent guy.”

Please consider how this falls on the ears of our community. Did she lie

Some have said Biden is putting politeness over policy.
In effect, he is saying that Pence’s record doesn’t matter.

PS in many circles Pence is an Ahole and his history reinforces that view are you suggesting Pence isn't as far right and Sanders is left

or do honestly think the Republican party hasn't moved

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Actress and activist Cynthia Nixon tweeted, @JoeBiden you’ve just called America’s most anti-LGBT elected leader “a decent guy.”

Please consider how this falls on the ears of our community. Did she lie

Some have said Biden is putting politeness over policy.
In effect, he is saying that Pence’s record doesn’t matter.

PS in many circles Pence is an Ahole and his history reinforces that view are you suggesting Pence isn't as far right and Sanders is left

or do honestly think the Republican party hasn't moved

the gop hasn’t moved much. can you provide specific examples of changed policy beliefs within the last 15 years? the dnc thinks
men can use whatever bathroom they choose, that late term abortion is a cause for celebration, that you cannot ever say anything positive about trump
no matter what he does, and that we should tear down every building in the nation and rebuild
with green energy.

do you think it’s impossible to oppose gay marriage, and still
be a decent guy?

i actually think the gop should
flip on gay marriage. but i know a huge number of very decent people
who oppose gay marriage, despite what a bigoted, activist actress happens to believe. Mother theresa wasn’t a decent person?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Hell Bernie has been calling for Revolution for decades - is this propaganda?

I don't know why this made me laugh so hard.....

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Actress and activist Cynthia Nixon tweeted, @JoeBiden you’ve just called America’s most anti-LGBT elected leader “a decent guy.”

Are you so closed minded that you think it's impossible for someone to be a decent guy if he's opposed to something he believes is wrong?

Please consider how this falls on the ears of our community. Did she lie

Did she consider how her words fall on the ears of our community?

Some have said Biden is putting politeness over policy.
In effect, he is saying that Pence’s record doesn’t matter.

It is small minded, dictatorial, even tyrranical to insist that Biden, or anyone else, must consider someone indecent if he is opposed to your policy.

PS in many circles Pence is an Ahole and his history reinforces that view are you suggesting Pence isn't as far right and Sanders is left

Do those "many circles" consider how those words fall on the ears of our community.

or do honestly think the Republican party hasn't moved

This thread is about the association of Communists with Democrats. I don't know if you're doing a whataboutism, or just avoiding having to comment on that association while you continue your diatribes against Trump, Republicans and to whom they are accused of being associated.

You also seem to be displaying a bigoted, closed minded view of what thought, or speech is correct and allowed in order to be a Democrat.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

This thread is about the association of Communists with Democrats. I don't know if you're doing a whataboutism, or just avoiding having to comment on that association while you continue your diatribes against Trump, Republicans and to whom they are accused of being associated.

national emergency

You also seem to be displaying a bigoted, closed minded view of what thought, or speech is correct and allowed in order to be a Democrat.

You post more suggestive conspiracy laden comments and video than anyone here peddling your views as if they are based on facts.... and call others closed minded and bigoted... for calling BS ... and the list of those you support are as fringe as it gets
Seems you’re standard of measuring infiltration of communist in the Democratic Party is in par with How Trump concludes his immigrant invasion and declared National emergency
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You post more suggestive conspiracy laden comments and video than anyone here peddling your views as if they are based on facts....

This "more" meme is constantly used by some on this forum as deflection. Can you factually back up this "more"? And what is the significance of this "more"? Is it a conceptual meme that paints something as a negative? Is it some sort of conspiracy against the "less"? And can you verify (examples, etc.) of my suggesting some conspiracy?

and call others closed minded and bigoted...

I call out bigotry when I see it. Don't you? Do you have some privilege not allowed to me? Have I called out bigotry without pointing out how it is so?

for calling BS ... and the list of those you support are as fringe as it gets

You have not disproved any of my "BS." You just say, without proof, that it is BS. And "fringe," like "extremist," is another meme meant to disparage. Being a minority, even an extreme one, is not being wrong or bad. In this day of collectivist politics, the so called "fringe" has much good to offer.

Seems you’re standard of measuring infiltration of communist in the Democratic Party is in par with How Trump concludes his immigrant invasion and declared National emergency
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What standard of measurement are you referring to? The video listed names of Communists who are actively supporting the Democrat Party. And in what way they are doing it. Can you show how none of that is true?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What standard of measurement are you referring to? The video listed names of Communists who are actively supporting the Democrat Party. And in what way they are doing it. Can you show how none of that is true?

and in your world that's a take over and infiltration of the democratic party ... as suggested in your video

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

and in your world that's a take over and infiltration of the democratic party ... as suggested in your video

So, rather than prove the content of the video to be wrong, you attempt to change my "world" by sticking words in it that were not expressed. "Take over" was your attempt to transform my "world."

Please try to stick to the subject rather than trying to change it. That would be an actual conversation, from which an actual transfer of knowledge and the true change of a "world" can occur.

The video did not "suggest" a whole lot other than the irony of Democrats trying to pin collusion with Russia on Trump when Dems are in bed with Communists. That was the minimal "suggestion" part. The bulk of the video was the naming of several Communists who are and were helping to get Dems elected.

If that's OK with you, of no particular consequence, then, to be fair, I would suppose that it's OK with you that so called right wing extremists are associated with Republicans. If you won't complain about one, why would you complain about the other?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

It’s one thing to negotiate with a big stick in one hand and a carrot in the other, it’s quite another thing when Trump insults every American with a brain when he states he believes them when they lie about knowledge of involvement in these humanitarian crimes.

It's quite possible that Trump is just being diplomatic--just saving Kim's face in order to make negotiations less difficult than they already, and monumentally, are. It's even possible that out of the thousands, if not millions, of humanitarian crimes committed by the NK regime, Kim is not personally aware of particular cases.

I think Trump understands that either directly, or indirectly, Kim, being the "supreme leader" of a very harsh and secretive dictatorship, is ultimately responsible for the crimes of his regime. But in the context of their private conversation, Kim may have laid out a plausible deniability. Making nice, rather than being righteously blunt, may be the discretion that is the better part of valor, so to speak, to create a more feasible condition for negotiations.

As to the video this country gives these people the right to free speech and it doesn’t surprise me there are a small number in elected offices.

It's not about a small number in elected offices. It is about the backing of the Communist party which has its tentacles spreading out to the Democrat party machines in many if not most of the states and other sectors of the country including the labor movement. The Dem/Commie connection, since the 1930's has been huge and devastating, both nationally and internationally. The deliverance of Eastern Europe, China, and NK, into the Communist sphere is directly attributed to Communist infiltration of the Democrat party. The constant drift to the left of the Democrat Party is in no small part due to Communist rhetoric lifted from Communist "aids" and district "helpers" who influence local campaigns throughout the country. The CPUSA just a few years ago sued the Democrat Party for stealing its "intellectual property" from their platform which wound up in the Democrat platform.

All of this is played down, dismissed, or totally disregarded, especially by the mostly left leaning MSM, academia, and the Democrat party. That you don't know about it, or that it can be poo-pooed as conspiracy or Republican fear mongering, or just a few elected officials is testimony to the effectiveness of the fake media effect. And that cows many to shy away from saying anything for fear of being marginalized as kooks or worse. It can cost friends as well as jobs in various milieus, especially academia and the media of all sorts.

It’s also more troubling to me if the Trump family has ties to Russia, the Saudi or anyone else that may be influencing decisions, then a handful of elected officials.

You might want to reconsider what is more troubling, a family possibly having unspecified and uncorroborated "ties" to Russia (which may be a politically motivated accusation and which whatever ties actually exist may be legitimate) and which may influence decisions by a President who would have little effective power against the opposition of both parties . . . or a political party with a proven history of effectual coordination with, and a current corroborated connection with, the Communist party that has and is influencing decisions.

If a republican candidate other than Trump were to run in 2020, against a Democrat I don’t feel is as qualified, I’d have a choice; which I don’t feel I had in the last election. I don’t like Trump as a person, from what I’ve read I wouldn’t like him as a businessman and I certainly don’t like him as our potus. I think he is dangerous on many levels, but again you are ok with the means as you personally are happy with the end results.
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I don't know of any nefarious or destructive means that Trump is employing as POTUS. I am not in like with him. And I'm certainly not in like with the Democrat Party. Nor am I in much like with the Republican party. At least there is no evidence that the Republicans are in bed with the Commies.

I mostly, not entirely, like Rand Paul. I sort of like Ted Cruz. I have a like for the freedom caucus in the Repub Party. Not a whole lot more like for the the Repubs. I like no-one or anything about the Democrat Party. There used to be some Dems in the past that I liked. Scoop Jackson. Sam Nunn. A few others who's names escape me offhand. But those types are long gone. The rising stars of the Democrat party are scary.

So I don't vote by like. They all try to be likeable. Phonies that lead us into a rabbit hole of debt and stupidity and constitutional destruction.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

infiltration a method of attack in which small bodies of soldiers or individual soldiers penetrate the enemy's line at weak or unguarded points in order to assemble behind the enemy position and attack it from the rear, harass enemy rear-area installations, etc.

so are they attacking the democrats or helping them?? because your clip uses the word infiltration I am confused

Yes you're confused. You quite often are. In this case, maybe it's more a matter of not fully acclimating to civilian life. You have been out of the military for some time, I assume. You might want to check out some civilian type definitions:

infiltrate (Cambridge dictionary):
verb [ I + adv/prep, T ] uk ​ /ˈɪn.fɪl.treɪt/ us ​ /ˈɪn.fɪl.treɪt/
​
"to secretly become part of a group in order to get information or to influence the way that group thinks or behaves."

​or

"to move slowly into a substance, place, system, or organization."

Actually, as for attacking the Democrats or helping them goes, it is a bit of each. CPUSA doesn't want to "take over" the Democrat Party. It wants to use it. And it wants to influence it. So it wants to "help" it win elections in order to have a viable political outlet to spread its agenda. It's like a more intelligent parasite which temporarily boosts its host in order to nourish itself on the stable healthy body until it is matured enough to thrive on its own. It can then discard its host and totally devour it and anything else that stands in its way. Eventually, the hope is the destruction of both the Democrats and Repbulicans, as well as any individualist, classically liberal, freedom loving, parties, notions or movements.

The CPUSA does not love the Democrats, whom it considers too corrupted by corporate money, nor wishes to become Democrats. It simply finds enough similarities, fellow travelers, and leftist trending politics in it and in the intellectual academic and media useful idiots that support it, to suit its purpose. The Republicans and libertarians have nothing to offer it, only total opposition.

The leftist trend of the Democrat Party has been spurred by the Marxist fellow traveler academics (most academicians teaching in the liberal arts) and by the journalists who have been educated by those professors. This has been going on for decades and is now bearing more and more socialist fruit. The total transformation of the Democrat Party into a purely socialist one is the long term aim of the of the Commies. Then, a fully Communist (devoid of errors of Stalinism or Maoism) egalitarian state, which is also devoid of capitalism, will be possible.

More and more Americans, especially the younger generations coming out of Marxist academe, are finding that idea attractive. The infiltration seems to be working.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Yes you're confused. You quite often are. In this case, maybe it's more a matter of not fully acclimating to civilian life. You have been out of the military for some time, I assume. You might want to check out some civilian type definitions:

infiltrate (Cambridge dictionary):
verb [ I + adv/prep, T ] uk ​ /ˈɪn.fɪl.treɪt/ us ​ /ˈɪn.fɪl.treɪt/
​
"to secretly become part of a group in order to get information or to influence the way that group thinks or behaves."

​or

"to move slowly into a substance, place, system, or organization."

Actually, as for attacking the Democrats or helping them goes, it is a bit of each. CPUSA doesn't want to "take over" the Democrat Party. It wants to use it. And it wants to influence it. So it wants to "help" it win elections in order to have a viable political outlet to spread its agenda. It's like a more intelligent parasite which temporarily boosts its host in order to nourish itself on the stable healthy body until it is matured enough to thrive on its own. It can then discard its host and totally devour it and anything else that stands in its way. Eventually, the hope is the destruction of both the Democrats and Repbulicans, as well as any individualist, classically liberal, freedom loving, parties, notions or movements.

The CPUSA does not love the Democrats, whom it considers too corrupted by corporate money, nor wishes to become Democrats. It simply finds enough similarities, fellow travelers, and leftist trending politics in it and in the intellectual academic and media useful idiots that support it, to suit its purpose. The Republicans and libertarians have nothing to offer it, only total opposition.

The leftist trend of the Democrat Party has been spurred by the Marxist fellow traveler academics (most academicians teaching in the liberal arts) and by the journalists who have been educated by those professors. This has been going on for decades and is now bearing more and more socialist fruit. The total transformation of the Democrat Party into a purely socialist one is the long term aim of the of the Commies. Then, a fully Communist (devoid of errors of Stalinism or Maoism) egalitarian state, which is also devoid of capitalism, will be possible.

More and more Americans, especially the younger generations coming out of Marxist academe, are finding that idea attractive. The infiltration seems to be working.

Marxist academe you have such an active imagination https://www.econlib.org/archives/201...valence_1.html


So secret your presenter knows everyones Names. as I have said its just another spoon feed story for like minded people using Classic Conservatives Buzz words ... Communist she even used comrade a few times ..

[westhavendave]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Yes you're confused. You quite often are. In this case, maybe it's more a matter of not fully acclimating to civilian life. You have been out of the military for some time, I assume. You might want to check out some civilian type definitions:

infiltrate (Cambridge dictionary):
verb [ I + adv/prep, T ] uk ​ /ˈɪn.fɪl.treɪt/ us ​ /ˈɪn.fɪl.treɪt/
​
"to secretly become part of a group in order to get information or to influence the way that group thinks or behaves."

​or

"to move slowly into a substance, place, system, or organization."

Actually, as for attacking the Democrats or helping them goes, it is a bit of each. CPUSA doesn't want to "take over" the Democrat Party. It wants to use it. And it wants to influence it. So it wants to "help" it win elections in order to have a viable political outlet to spread its agenda. It's like a more intelligent parasite which temporarily boosts its host in order to nourish itself on the stable healthy body until it is matured enough to thrive on its own. It can then discard its host and totally devour it and anything else that stands in its way. Eventually, the hope is the destruction of both the Democrats and Repbulicans, as well as any individualist, classically liberal, freedom loving, parties, notions or movements.

The CPUSA does not love the Democrats, whom it considers too corrupted by corporate money, nor wishes to become Democrats. It simply finds enough similarities, fellow travelers, and leftist trending politics in it and in the intellectual academic and media useful idiots that support it, to suit its purpose. The Republicans and libertarians have nothing to offer it, only total opposition.

The leftist trend of the Democrat Party has been spurred by the Marxist fellow traveler academics (most academicians teaching in the liberal arts) and by the journalists who have been educated by those professors. This has been going on for decades and is now bearing more and more socialist fruit. The total transformation of the Democrat Party into a purely socialist one is the long term aim of the of the Commies. Then, a fully Communist (devoid of errors of Stalinism or Maoism) egalitarian state, which is also devoid of capitalism, will be possible.

More and more Americans, especially the younger generations coming out of Marxist academe, are finding that idea attractive. The infiltration seems to be working.

This is like McCarthy reincarnated, when do the hearings start?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by westhavendave

This is like McCarthy reincarnated, when do the hearings start?

Many of them want 70% marginal tax rates on the wealthy, they want the loans they voluntarily agreed to, to be wiped out, and they want free everything. And many want government healthcare, with no ability to purchase healthcare in the private sector. And many want the government to order that every building/home/office in the country be retrofitted with green technology. And the kids on campus, are demonstrating less and less ability to tolerate dissenting opinions - ask conservatives who try to speak there. That doesn't all add up to heavy socialism?

No one is saying to bring back the McCarthy hearings. But let's show them how terrible those ideas might be.

I grew up in West Haven, just a few houses up from the fire house on Benham Hill Rd. I used to spend a lot of time in that fire station, my friend's dad was a fireman there.

[westhavendave]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Many of them want 70% marginal tax rates on the wealthy, they want the loans they voluntarily agreed to, to be wiped out, and they want free everything. And many want government healthcare, with no ability to purchase healthcare in the private sector. And many want the government to order that every building/home/office in the country be retrofitted with green technology. And the kids on campus, are demonstrating less and less ability to tolerate dissenting opinions - ask conservatives who try to speak there. That doesn't all add up to heavy socialism?

No one is saying to bring back the McCarthy hearings. But let's show them how terrible those ideas might be.

I grew up in West Haven, just a few houses up from the fire house on Benham Hill Rd. I used to spend a lot of time in that fire station, my friend's dad was a fireman there.

I was the Chief of West Shore, left there 5 years ago, spent many a night on that Rescue at Benham Hill. Dave Collins

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by westhavendave

I was the Chief of West Shore, left there 5 years ago, spent many a night on that Rescue at Benham Hill. Dave Collins

Small world, thanks for your service.

I lived right at the top of Benham Hill. Every time I wandered into that fire house, one of the guys would buy me a bottle of coke from the old fashioned machine, and ask me where the snappers were biting.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Many of them want 70% marginal tax rates on the wealthy, they want the loans they voluntarily agreed to, to be wiped out, and they want free everything. And many want government healthcare, with no ability to purchase healthcare in the private sector. And many want the government to order that every building/home/office in the country be retrofitted with green technology. And the kids on campus, are demonstrating less and less ability to tolerate dissenting opinions - ask conservatives who try to speak there. That doesn't all add up to heavy socialism?

You forgot no cheeseburgers on the grill on the Fourth of July

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You forgot no cheeseburgers on the grill on the Fourth of July

From the young democrats? More like borscht on October 25, the anniversary of the Russian Revolution. Borscht, a few packs of smokes, and a few copies of Animal Farm and Chairman Mao's Little Red Book.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by westhavendave

This is like McCarthy reincarnated, when do the hearings start?

Hearings started before McCarthy. The House Un-American activities committee was already having hearings on Communist infiltration of the administration before McCarthy said anything. McCarthy wasn't necessarily trying to start a hearing in the Senate. He didn't want to expose the names of Communists on his list publicly because some of them may have been erroneously included. He was bringing attention to the matter to the Senate in order that the those correctly identified would be removed. The Democrat Senators forced a hearing in order to discredit McCarthy. They assumed they could show that McCarthy was unjustly accusing those on his list. They managed to smear him with sneaky tactics including an outright fabrication, and made the whole thing go away. Eventually, McCarthy was basically proven to be right. But the situation was even worse than McCarthy knew.

The Venona Project, a U.S. Army counter intelligence program, uncovered many more names. The release of some KGB files corroborated most of the Venona material. And the FBI had been discovering the Commie infiltration all along. It had even alerted the administration. But Russia was an ally during the war, so nothing was done about it. That was a big mistake.

Some of the most influential soviet agents in the administration including the closest advisors to FDR worked to put in effect policies that favored Communist expansion. Advice FDR received by them influenced his decisions to back Stalin's desires in the Yalta conference which resulted in the Soviet takeover of Eastern Europe and East Germany. Soviets in the administration convinced it to abandon Chiang Kai-Shek in his war against Mao who he was defeating with the aid of American military supplies. In the meantime, the Soviets were arming Mao's forces. So the tide turned. Consequently, China and much of East and South Asia (eventually resulting in a Communist North Korea), as well as Eastern Europe, all fell into the hands of the Soviets.

As well, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was in a way orchestrated by Soviet agents in the FDR administration. Japan was a severe threat to Russia, as had been demonstrated by its defeat in the earlier Russo Japanese war. Having to fight a war on two fronts, Hitler in the West and Japan in the East, would have been difficult, a major stretch on Russian resources. Japan tried to make a pact with the U.S. in order to stave off what was a near certain entry of America into the war against Hitler. Japan and Germany were allies, which would pit the U.S. against Japan, stretching Japanese resources beyond its ability to attack Russia while fighting the Americans. Harry Dexter White, a top Treasury Dept, official and also a Soviet agent, convinced FDR that Japan could not be trusted, and helped create the ten point ultimatum adopted by the administration that basically was a casus belli. Drawing the U.S into war with Japan freed the Soviets of having to fight that war.

We don't need congressional hearings. Just an honest and open discussion about the political direction of our country.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Marxist academe you have such an active imagination https://www.econlib.org/archives/201...valence_1.html

Original, hard core Marxism has lost most of its followers, so it is surprising that as many as in your survey did consider themselves Marxist. And many that do consider themselves as true Marxian Marxists would probably rather not admit it. As the term is used loosely today, it is more accurately called Cultural Marxism. That was a movement begun in earnest in the U.S during the mid 20th century by European Marxists (the so called Frankfurt School theorists) who were disillusioned with the outcome of original Marxism and Communism but still believed in much of the fundamental political and economic ideology. They still adhered to the Marxist critique of capitalism and notions of class struggle as well as other notions in the Marxist canon.

But they, in conjunction with Post Modern theorists, went beyond Marx and, created the basis for deconstructing traditional Western political, social, and economic understanding. They helped transform traditional "Conservative" academia into a platform for the Post Modern notion that our reality is a social construction rather than a physical and biological imperative. This all spawned into various constructs such as political correctness, social justice as it is expressed by leftists, economic justice, reproductive rights, multiculturalism, and our current identity politics and personal gender identity over biological identity, etc.

As for your survey, I specifically referred to the "liberal arts." Your survey includes the STEM curricula which shows very few, or zero, who identify as Marxists, which is not a surprise since the STEM curricula deals in scientific and physical reality, not in intellectual nonsense. But for the liberal arts, the social sciences and the humanities, it shows 17.6 of those in the social sciences and 5% of those in the humanities do. It also shows 24% radicals and 20.6% activist in the social sciences, and 19% radicals and 26.2 activist in humanities.

Your article also states "if 18% of social scientists believe in Marxism, that too is a big deal. Why? Because Marxism is nonsense. Furthermore, if 18% of a discipline fully embrace a body of nonsense, there is also probably a large bloc of nonsense sympathizers – people who won’t swallow the nonsense whole, but nevertheless see great value in it. Suppose, plausibly, that there is one fellow traveler for every true believer. That would bring the share of abject intellectual corruption to fully 35% – and 51% in sociology."

So, granting that Cutltural Marxism, not original Marxism, promulgates the mainstream intellectual liberal view, using your author's formula as well as that there are not many activist and radical professors from the "right" in our universities and colleges (it is conceded by just about all surveys that Professors in the liberal arts are overwhelmingly "liberal"), and that radicalism and activism in our universities is usually the M.O. of leftist, Post Modern, Cultural Marxists, we can extrapolate further.

The total ratio of those in the social sciences that are either radical (24%), activist (20.6%), or Marxist (17.6%) is 62%. The total ratio of those in the humanities, 19% radical, 26.2% activist, 5% Marxist adds up to 50.2%. Then if we use the authors suggestion that we should add fellow travelers (as well as those who didn't identify as either of those three categories, but, being predominantly "liberal" so leaning to Cultural Marxism), we can surmise that a large majority of Liberal arts professors are "Marxist" in the loose use of that term.

So secret your presenter knows everyones Names. as I have said its just another spoon feed story for like minded people using Classic Conservatives Buzz words ... Communist she even used comrade a few times ..

"Secret" applies to the rank and file Democrat voter and the general population. The Communist Party does not hide its connection to the Democrat Party, and the Democrat hierarchy is not unaware, but it is purposely not broadcast aloud to the public for obvious reasons. Were you aware of the connection? It is an "open secret."--"An open secret is a concept or idea that is 'officially' secret or restricted in knowledge, but in practice may be widely known; or it refers to something that is widely known to be true but which none of the people most intimately concerned are willing to categorically acknowledge in public."--Wikipedia.

True investigative journalists would not find this hard to "discover." Fake news journalists would choose to disregard or not report it.

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