Muller report AG new conference

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"They reported Barr's version of his phone call with Mueller, neither was on that phone call"

Mueller was. Is Mueller saying that Barr was lying about the call?

"What do you think could happen after Trump leaves office and no longer has immunity?"

Lots of things could happen. If I were Trump, I'd think seriously about retiring to a nice place with a non-extradition treaty with the US.

What about the fact that no one close to Trump was indicted? Are their rules that say that no one on the staff, or in the inner circle, of a sitting president can be prosecuted? I heard an awful lot over the last 3 years, that his staff and at least some of his family, would be charged. Didnt happen. Not a single solitary indictment for actions that took place before the investigation started. Zero. You can't tell me, that's not exculpatory. Trump doesn't do it all himself, he delegates the vast majority of what gets done. Mueller found zero chargeable crimes.

"What evidence of serious wrongdoing have you seen? Be specific "

Sure. The DOJ used that garbage Steele dossier (paid for by the Hilary campaign) to get FISA warrants to spy on Carter Page, a US citizen. Page's name was then leaked by the DOJ to the media, who happily reported that he was a Russian agent. They never told the FISA judge the source of the made-up dossier. Would you like it if that happened to you, or to someone you care about?

We also have the emails and texts among senior FBO and DOJ officials who (1) hated Trump and wanted Hilary to win, and (2) were helping to run the investigations into Hilary and Trump. Now, that doesn't mean they did their jobs inappropriately, but we can, and should, look into that.

I'm not a lawyer. And I don't pretend to be non-partisan. But Alan Dershowitz is a highly resected legal mind, and also a diehard liberal, and he was appalled by what he saw, he thinks there's plenty of evidence that the DOJ was acting as an arm of the Hilary campaign. He's just one guy sure, and he can be wrong, but I believe him more than I believe Sean Hannity or Rachael Maddow.

Regarding Russian collusion, many times I hoped for a fair and thorough investigation. It's totally consistent for me to call for the same thing, with regards to whether or not Obama's Justice Department colluded with Hilary's campaign.

I cannot stand the thought that Trump sought Russian help to win. I'm just as concerned (more, probably) at the thought that Hilary sought help from Obama's Justice Department to help her win.

We investigated the first. Time to investigate the second. The only possible reason why anyone would support one of those investigations but not both, is partisan politics.

I'm lucky that I can comfortably say that both investigations are warranted, because my loyalty is to common sense and fairness, I'm not a blind, thoughtless partisan. It makes my life a whole lot easier than it would be if I always had to defend the bad things my side does, and ignore the good things that the other side does. Spence has to pretend that Trump isn't helping the economy, and he has to pretend that Hilary isn't a deeply flawed individual. That takes a lot of effort and a willingness to humiliate yourself. It's easier when you can offer praise or criticism to either side.

The liberals were devastated after the 2016 election. The then put all of their eggs in the collusion basket, and look like idiots again. On top of that, there will now be an investigation to see whether or Trump was the victim of collusion between Hilary and the FBI. So not only have the democrats in charge failed at getting rid of Trump, they may have royally f*cked themselves in trying to sabotage Trump. I still don't think they have the slightest clue who he is.

I truly hope there wasn't collusion between Hilary and the DOJ, because what a blow to our process that would be. Let's do an investigation that's as thorough as Mueller's (not as slow), and get it behind us once and for all. I will happily abide by the results of that investigation (and it has already started, terrifying the left), just as I abide by the Mueller findings.

Carter Page had been investigated for years prior to his involvement with the Trump campaign regarding Russia. The first FISA warrant was in 2014. Just more garbage Trump did not vet prior to getting him involved.
https://www.justsecurity.org/46786/t...ntacts-russia/

Lot's of far more conservative lawyers than Dershowitz have big concerns that directly conflict with Dershowitz's opinions. Just because he is liberal does not make his opinion correct. Of course he's also a buddy of Trump, Acosta and Epstein.

Have you read the Mueller report?
Glad to hear that Trumps acceptance of Russian help is acceptable to you. Check your soul for bite marks.

As far as Hillary goes, let the cards fall where they may. I did not support either main party candidate in the 2016 election and still don't. What about Hillary etc is a pretty weak defense.

Non-farm payroll is still on the same trajectory it has been for the past nine years.

[Jim in CT]

[QUOTE=Pete F.;1166634]Glad to hear that Trumps acceptance of Russian help is acceptable to you. Check your soul for bite marks.


Boy, I'd love to hear how you arrived at the conclusion that I'm OK with Trump/Russia collusion. In my post that you just quoted, I said this, you actually quoted this line from me:

I cannot stand the thought that Trump sought Russian help to win.

So before we go any further, please explain how you read that, and concluded that I was OK with Trump/Russia colluding. Either admit you made that up to discredit me, despite my explicit statement to the contrary, or we can stop now. You constantly accuse me of being a Trump apologist, when I constantly attack him for his lapses. You're just making up jibberish as you go along.

You constantly, constantly accuse me of saying things I never said. One only does that, when one can't respond to what the other person is actually saying.

[Pete F.]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1166635]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Glad to hear that Trumps acceptance of Russian help is acceptable to you. Check your soul for bite marks.


Boy, I'd love to hear how you arrived at the conclusion that I'm OK with Trump/Russia collusion. In my post that you just quoted, I said this, you actually quoted this line from me:

I cannot stand the thought that Trump sought Russian help to win.

So before we go any further, please explain how you read that, and concluded that I was OK with Trump/Russia colluding. Either admit you made that up to discredit me, despite my explicit statement to the contrary, or we can stop now. You constantly accuse me of being a Trump apologist, when I constantly attack him for his lapses. You're just making up jibberish as you go along.

You constantly, constantly accuse me of saying things I never said. One only does that, when one can't respond to what the other person is actually saying.

But Gorsuch
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[Jim in CT]

[QUOTE=Pete F.;1166639]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But Gorsuch
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i don’t know what that means. you could
have just said you were wrong, but nope.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i don’t know what that means. you could
have just said you were wrong, but nope.
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But I'm not.
You accept what Trump does with a little squealing but consistently acquiesce to his behavior.
Trump took an oath of office that says: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Because you got some judges, a little raise and the economy is good, you are willing to accept:
1. Asking that Sessions drop the investigation, then when he would not do that, pardoning Joe Arpaio.
2. Instructing Border Patrol officers to disobey the courts and turn back asylum seekers
3. Repeated calls for prosecution of his political enemies or rivals.
4. Asking that the Postal Service raise rates for Amazon to punish Bezos
5. Removing security clearances because citizens criticized his policies.
6. Declassifying information for political purposes
7. Attacks on the press as enemies of the people
8. "very fine people"
9. "#^&#^&#^&#^&hole countries"
10. Libelous statements without basis that citizens were treasonous.
11. His lies, now over 10,000
12. Paying off various pornstars and covering up the payments
13. Pursuing projects in Russia, while telling the people he had no anything in Russia
14. The emoluments clause and his blatant disregard for it.
15. His involvement in the preelection efforts of his campaign to get Russian aid as detailed in the Mueller report.
16. Declaring an emergency when Congress does not give him what he wants and then stating that he really did not need to.
There are more but remember Trump took an oath of office that says: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
He has abused his power incessantly and you are ok with that because?
At what point is enough enough?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

But I'm not.
You accept what Trump does with a little squealing but consistently acquiesce to his behavior.
Trump took an oath of office that says: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Because you got some judges, a little raise and the economy is good, you are willing to accept:
1. Asking that Sessions drop the investigation, then when he would not do that, pardoning Joe Arpaio.
2. Instructing Border Patrol officers to disobey the courts and turn back asylum seekers
3. Repeated calls for prosecution of his political enemies or rivals.
4. Asking that the Postal Service raise rates for Amazon to punish Bezos
5. Removing security clearances because citizens criticized his policies.
6. Declassifying information for political purposes
7. Attacks on the press as enemies of the people
8. "very fine people"
9. "#^&#^&#^&#^&hole countries"
10. Libelous statements without basis that citizens were treasonous.
11. His lies, now over 10,000
12. Paying off various pornstars and covering up the payments
13. Pursuing projects in Russia, while telling the people he had no anything in Russia
14. The emoluments clause and his blatant disregard for it.
15. His involvement in the preelection efforts of his campaign to get Russian aid as detailed in the Mueller report.
16. Declaring an emergency when Congress does not give him what he wants and then stating that he really did not need to.
There are more but remember Trump took an oath of office that says: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
He has abused his power incessantly and you are ok with that because?
At what point is enough enough?

They are just fine with his actions, the means justify the ends, your beating your head against a huge southern boarder like wall.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

But I'm not.
You accept what Trump does with a little squealing but consistently acquiesce to his behavior.
Trump took an oath of office that says: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Because you got some judges, a little raise and the economy is good, you are willing to accept:
1. Asking that Sessions drop the investigation, then when he would not do that, pardoning Joe Arpaio.
2. Instructing Border Patrol officers to disobey the courts and turn back asylum seekers
3. Repeated calls for prosecution of his political enemies or rivals.
4. Asking that the Postal Service raise rates for Amazon to punish Bezos
5. Removing security clearances because citizens criticized his policies.
6. Declassifying information for political purposes
7. Attacks on the press as enemies of the people
8. "very fine people"
9. "#^&#^&#^&#^&hole countries"
10. Libelous statements without basis that citizens were treasonous.
11. His lies, now over 10,000
12. Paying off various pornstars and covering up the payments
13. Pursuing projects in Russia, while telling the people he had no anything in Russia
14. The emoluments clause and his blatant disregard for it.
15. His involvement in the preelection efforts of his campaign to get Russian aid as detailed in the Mueller report.
16. Declaring an emergency when Congress does not give him what he wants and then stating that he really did not need to.
There are more but remember Trump took an oath of office that says: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
He has abused his power incessantly and you are ok with that because?
At what point is enough enough?

Pete, you fabricated something that's flatly contradicted by something I explicitly said. You are compounding your folly, by denying what you did.

I don't accept collusion. Fortunately, there isn't much evidence that it ever happened, so I can move on.

I like your list. I can make a very similar list for Hilary, and the choice was him or her. I would prefer a nice guy who does as good a job as he is doing. His outlandishness paints him in a very poor light as a person, it has little effect on me. His tax cuts and the soaring stock market, are good for my kids.