Children as chess pieces

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

you were suckered again....


"In an attempt to justify Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s absurd comparison of American detention facilities to Holocaust-era concentration camps, many figures within the media have shared a viral video clip of a legal hearing in which a Department of Justice attorney debates a panel of judges as to what constitutes “sanitary conditions.” The majority of the shares were of a version put out by NowThis News, which claimed that the video shows a Trump administration official arguing that “children don’t need soap, toothbrushes, or beds to be ‘safe and sanitary’ while in Border Patrol custody.” The claim has led to several days of outrage, and has been used repeatedly as evidence that the current administration is being intentionally cruel to migrant children. Countless journalists, along with clickbait outlets such as The Hill and the Huffington Post, have highlighted the video inside this framing.


Unsurprisingly, it is not that simple. Indeed, the hearing in the video was related not to actions taken by the Trump administration, but to a challenge of a 2017 ruling that the CBP under the Obama administration had violated the Flores Settlement agreement with its treatment of children in custody. The judge in that case cited specific infractions that she felt were in violation of the “safe and sanitary” requirement under the Flores agreement and recommended a special monitor be appointed to ensure these facilities were complying with the original standard. The DOJ attorney in the video, Sarah Fabian, was not arguing that the United States should decline to provide those items to children, but rather that the Flores Settlement agreement didn’t specifically require those items. The notoriously liberal Ninth Circuit judges disagreed with this argument, preferring to read Flores narrowly. Fabian has been arguing similar cases on behalf of the Justice Department for years; that is her job. Some of her legal arguments have upset immigration advocates before. But they have never led to this type of media coverage, or to the claim that her fulfilling her legal role is indicative of a moral shortcoming.

Predictably, the vast majority of the people and the outlets that shared this exchange failed to note that the violations being discussed had occurred during the previous administration, while those who did know failed to ask themselves (and others) why the violations didn’t receive similar coverage when they were first exposed. Instead, they jumped straight to the conclusion that the federal government, headed up by President Trump, was deliberately inflicting pain on babies. This isn’t true."

Does that change the circumstances under which these children are being held? That is a BS argument, the over crowding, unsanitary conditions, lack a bare necessities, all reported by anyone who has visited them (not in this administration) is why the media is all over this. Trump can rob other funds, but sees no need to do anything to supply the funds and staffing needed there, not unless it’s tied to other things he wants.

The GOP won’t vote on a single piece of legislation, yet they hold these kids hostage to leverage something they want. Your argument is like looking at a ten car pile up on the expressway and spending a month debating who is at fault, while leaving commuters to find another way into the city. The mess exists stop the BS and clean up the mess your policies help create.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Your argument is like looking at a ten car pile up on the expressway and spending a month debating who is at fault, while leaving commuters to find another way into the city. The mess exists stop the BS and clean up the mess your policies help create.
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Your argument is like looking at me bringing my kids along on a home invasion, then blaming DSS because my kids are in crappy foster care.

[JohnR]

I never saw the outrage from 2008 to 2016 about facilities used in detaining people illegally entering the country. Ironically this is where and when a lot of the rage photos come from...

Bad people traffic these kids, often without family, for the purpose of making money. There is a massive economy in transporting people from other countries to our country for a chance to live under the radar, knowing there is a high probability of being caught.

The people coming here are frequently robbed, raped, beaten, and sometimes even killed.

And people on the left wield it as a tool from 2000 to 2008 and from 2016 to now, all the while calling anyone that disagrees will illegal immigration as heartless racists, xenophobes, and nazis .

You know what would have been the proper and legal solution to this?

A long time ago, close the border and increase LEGAL IMMIGRATION. That is how it should have been done legally.


(side note, if Democrats really cared about illegal immigrants they would prevent them from coming here so as not to die from Net Neutrality)

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I never saw the outrage from 2008 to 2016 about facilities used in detaining people illegally entering the country. Ironically this is where and when a lot of the rage photos come from...

I'd love to see this mountain of rage photos taken during the Obama years, I'm aware of one.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Your argument is like looking at me bringing my kids along on a home invasion, then blaming DSS because my kids are in crappy foster care.

Somewhere GS is scratching his head knowing this is a “gotcha” moment.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Your argument is like looking at me bringing my kids along on a home invasion, then blaming DSS because my kids are in crappy foster care.

I've heard people used to make the same excuses about Jews and slaves.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I've heard people used to make the same excuses about Jews and slaves.

AOCpence.....brilliant stuff

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

I've heard people used to make the same excuses about Jews and slaves.

Maybe congress can bring all the descendents of slaves to Six Flags to make up for all those crappy foster parents during the 1700's

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Maybe congress can bring all the descendents of slaves to Six Flags to make up for all those crappy foster parents during the 1700's

How about we just treat the kids in our care today like human beings as a start.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

How about we just treat the kids in our care today like human beings as a start.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

I've heard people used to make the same excuses about Jews and slaves.

You are partially correct. With the Slaves, bad people made money and politics by taking people from another place and bring them somewhere else (though most of those people were brought someplace other than the USA).

With the Jews many were rounded up and put in actual, ya know real and not imagined, concentration camps. One important difference, Jews were taken against their will by actual Nazis to these camps, tortured and often killed.

Illegal Immigrants come here hoping to circumvent the law and somehow being able to stay.