WH projects $1 trillion deficit for 2019

[Got Stripers]

Hey 27,000, best president ever, unless your one of the over 50% of working Americans who don't have a dime invested in the market, or are one of a fair percentage of those who our president just suggested you take it on back to where you came from.

[JohnR]

Wish y'all actually cared about this going back 15 years

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Wish y'all actually cared about this going back 15 years

funny how that goes.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Wish y'all actually cared about this going back 15 years

Spent a lot of time worrying about the planet our kids will inherit, but not about the bill.

at least we've done away with that scurge of the sea, the plastic straw

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Spent a lot of time worrying about the planet our kids will inherit, but not about the bill.

at least we've done away with that scurge of the sea, the plastic straw

Short sighted thinking and I’m not saying addressing climate change is easy or that we in the USA can tackle it on our own. The bill your children and their children’s children will pay will be far bigger than if we address it incrementally over the next decade. The predictions for sea level rise, heat induced droughts, wildfires and impact on agricultural are really startling if they hold true. I’m a big believer in science and not political spin on how that gets interpreted. So you can pay me now or pay me three fold later, both parties and most importantly other countries better figure it out. We should be leading in this effort and this administration doesn’t even believe the science. Since we are celebrating putting a man on the moon, maybe the science that made that possible then and predicts weather changes in the future has more merit than this administration is giving it.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Short sighted thinking and I’m not saying addressing climate change is easy or that we in the USA can tackle it on our own. The bill your children and their children’s children will pay will be far bigger than if we address it incrementally over the next decade. The predictions for sea level rise, heat induced droughts, wildfires and impact on agricultural are really startling if they hold true. I’m a big believer in science and not political spin on how that gets interpreted. So you can pay me now or pay me three fold later, both parties and most importantly other countries better figure it out. We should be leading in this effort and this administration doesn’t even believe the science. Since we are celebrating putting a man on the moon, maybe the science that made that possible then and predicts weather changes in the future has more merit than this administration is giving it.
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How is it short sighted to focus on something we actually have the ability to fix on our own? We could reduce our emissions to zero and China and India wouldn't care.

Nobody here doesn't believe in Climate Change, Nobody. We just don't rank it as the number 1 threat to the US. Right now we are leaving a humungous bill for our kids and their kids to pay and nobody seems to care about it. Nobody. That should be the priority, but everybody spends their time bitching about anything and everything else but.

[scottw]

much of the disagreement is the fact that the left has co-opted the issue and turned it in to a political hammer and vilified and attempted to exorcise anyone who doesn't go along with their religious zealotry...I think AOCommunist's "brain and mentor" admitted as much recently as if it wasn't already clear, the issue of the environment is simply a mechanism by which the socialists fundamentally change society more to their liking and generate funds to do so...so there is certainly science showing that the earth's climate is changing, it is after all "living and breathing"... not to mention the fact that we've paved, built on, altered and forever disturbed huge land spaces and waterways, shoreline..we will continue to do so and continue to create ridiculous amounts of waste...are we really shocked when a city built below sea level is flooded???? I've mentioned that I think each person/family should be forced to keep a month's waste/garbage on property to see how they deal with it and make them aware of how much they actually produce...regardless of what you do, it's nothing more than a bandaid on what has already been done and what will continue to be done and we are just a blip on the history of the planet....humanity is on a crash course, it's just a matter of time...we will extinct ourselves...I like it warmer...bring the heat!

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

much of the disagreement is the fact that the left has co-opted the issue and turned it in to a political hammer and vilified and attempted to exorcise anyone who doesn't go along with their religious zealotry...I think AOCommunist's "brain and mentor" admitted as much recently as if it wasn't already clear, the issue of the environment is simply a mechanism by which the socialists fundamentally change society more to their liking and generate funds to do so...so there is certainly science showing that the earth's climate is changing, it is after all "living and breathing"... not to mention the fact that we've paved, built on, altered and forever disturbed huge land spaces and waterways, shoreline..we will continue to do so and continue to create ridiculous amounts of waste...are we really shocked when a city built below sea level is flooded???? I've mentioned that I think each person/family should be forced to keep a month's waste/garbage on property to see how they deal with it and make them aware of how much they actually produce...regardless of what you do, it's nothing more than a bandaid on what has already been done and what will continue to be done and we are just a blip on the history of the planet....humanity is on a crash course, it's just a matter of time...we will extinct ourselves...I like it warmer...bring the heat!

I agree with everything with maybe the exception of the left using it strictly as a political hammer. I also am not in agreement that mankind will cause its own extinction, unless we continue down the same path we have been going down.

I’m also not saying this is issue number one facing the US, but to dismiss it as a non issue, to abandon our global partnerships and to deregulate and reverse course is a bad change of course. Look at where we are today technically as compared to a generation ago and imagine where we will be in another, I have to believe solutions to cease or even reverse the carbon problem will be available, provided we don’t do to much damage before that’s available.

I can see the planet doing a major reset by a super volcano like Yellowstone blowing, some large metor impact before a Bruce Willis and grew can get to it, mankind being stupid enough to get into a global nuclear war or than there is is the new buzz over the UFO sightings; could they be a precursor to something 👀👀👀
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

mthe left has co-opted the issue and turned it in to a political hammer and vilified and attempted to exorcise anyone who doesn't go along with their religious zealotry...!

Is there an issue for which the left doesn't do this?

If you are pro life, you hate women.

If you support legal immigration, you are a xenophobe.

If you are for strong national defense, you are an Islamophobe.

If you believe in traditional marriage, you are a homophobe.

If you think there is a limit to how high taxes can go, you hate poor people and want them to die.

If you are opposed to socialized medicine, you hate sick people and want then to die.

If you believe our priority should be to help Americans thrive, you are a white nationalist.

If you don't want to live in a yurt and walk to work, you are a science denier.

If you think economic growth is awesome, you only care about rich people, because somehow middle class and poor people are absolutely immune from the benefits of a surging economy, only hedge fund managers benefit from a surging economy. I have never heard an explanation as to why that is (I'm more of a 'rising tides lift all boats' kind of guy), but liberals sure believe it.

Hilary's "basket of deplorables" comment summed it up very nicely.

You know what you rarely see from the left? Rational explanations of why their ideas are better. What you hear far more often, is how hateful and racist everyone on the right is. You hear that often, and it is usually delivered by someone screaming and who is very angry at the moment. Watch CNN or MSNBC in primetime sometime.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Wish y'all actually cared about this going back 15 years

So your saying the Dems. didn't care about it in the past (even though Bush left us with the worse economy since the great recession and most economist say you need deficit spending to get the econ. rolling) but the Reps did? So what party is showing the hypocrisy?

Wasn't another of Trump's promises that he would wipe out the deficit and the debt?

When do we get tired of winning?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So your saying the Dems. didn't care about it in the past (even though Bush left us with the worse economy since the great recession and most economist say you need deficit spending to get the econ. rolling) but the Reps did? So what party is showing the hypocrisy?

Wasn't another of Trump's promises that he would wipe out the deficit and the debt?

When do we get tired of winning?

No, he's saying that on this issue, there's almost nothing but partisan hypocrisy, as those who like the sitting POTUS say nothing about massive deficits, while those in the opposing party say the deficits will kill us all. Then when a POTUS from the other party gets elected, everyone says the opposite.

I didn't see you, WDMSO, or GS worry about deficits when Obama racked them up. But they sure matter now. John R worried about deficits then, and he does now. So do I. If you thought annual trillion dollar deficits were bad under Obama, I missed that concern.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

No, he's saying that on this issue, there's almost nothing but partisan hypocrisy, as those who like the sitting POTUS say nothing about massive deficits, while those in the opposing party say the deficits will kill us all. Then when a POTUS from the other party gets elected, everyone says the opposite.

I didn't see you, WDMSO, or GS worry about deficits when Obama racked them up. But they sure matter now. John R worried about deficits then, and he does now. So do I. If you thought annual trillion dollar deficits were bad under Obama, I missed that concern.

Sorry but that is a lie. During a recession, you need spending to get the economy rolling. I don't think either of them posted much if at all when Obama was Pres. Plus Trump told us he was going to wipe out the debt and deficit.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Sorry but that is a lie. During a recession, you need spending to get the economy rolling. I don't think either of them posted much if at all when Obama was Pres. Plus Trump told us he was going to wipe out the debt and deficit.

The $750B "stimulus" bill, which was supposed to create god knows how many shovel-ready jobs, wasn't optional? That was mandatory?

The bailout was expensive, but most was paid back with interest I believe.

Obama believed in quantitative easing, which is expensive but eventually worked. He also inherited the wars which are insanely expensive.

Some of his spending was inherited and necessary. Some was absolutely at his discretion.

No lies, no sir. I don't need to, because my goal isn't to blindly defend one ideology and attack the other. I have no problem with facing whatever the truth is, I'm not Pete or Spence.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I didn't see you, WDMSO, or GS worry about deficits when Obama racked them up.

Your correct you and others were crying about deficts. And now your not. Again turning wine into water ...
Its a predictable pattern
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

No, he's saying that on this issue, there's almost nothing but partisan hypocrisy, as those who like the sitting POTUS say nothing about massive deficits, while those in the opposing party say the deficits will kill us all. Then when a POTUS from the other party gets elected, everyone says the opposite.

I didn't see you, WDMSO, or GS worry about deficits when Obama racked them up. But they sure matter now. John R worried about deficits then, and he does now. So do I. If you thought annual trillion dollar deficits were bad under Obama, I missed that concern.

Well you at least partly correct because I didn’t start posting on this board until this presidential run and election.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So your saying the Dems. didn't care about it in the past (even though Bush left us with the worse economy since the great recession and most economist say you need deficit spending to get the econ. rolling) but the Reps did? So what party is showing the hypocrisy?

Wasn't another of Trump's promises that he would wipe out the deficit and the debt?

When do we get tired of winning?

the ability to quote things that were never said is uncanny.

simple math 2019 - 15 = 2004 (Bush's 2nd term)

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Sorry but that is a lie. During a recession, you need spending to get the economy rolling. I don't think either of them posted much if at all when Obama was Pres. Plus Trump told us he was going to wipe out the debt and deficit.

There are times when deficit spending works but then the piper must be paid. But you can't keep borrowing and spending forever.

As a result, today, our kids & GKids are inheriting 22 Trillion in debt (and probably another 100T+ in obligations)

BOTH PARTIES - both sides, see that Wayne ; ) - got us here

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

the ability to quote things that were never said is uncanny.

simple math 2019 - 15 = 2004 (Bush's 2nd term)

I know that Thanks

Originally Posted by JohnR

There are times when deficit spending works but then the piper must be paid. But you can't keep borrowing and spending forever.

As a result, today, our kids & GKids are inheriting 22 Trillion in debt (and probably another 100T+ in obligations)

BOTH PARTIES - both sides, see that Wayne ; ) - got us here

I agree you can't continue borrowing and spending. That is why Clinton and Obama both raised taxes - to bring in more revenue. Subsequent to that, the def. went down. If you want to say the Dems. always increase taxes, I'd agree with you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I know that Thanks



I agree you can't continue borrowing and spending. That is why Clinton and Obama both raised taxes - to bring in more revenue. Subsequent to that, the def. went down. If you want to say the Dems. always increase taxes, I'd agree with you.

clinton cut taxes after he raised them. and tax revenue collected went up, after he cut tax rates.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

BOTH PARTIES - both sides, see that Wayne ; ) - got us here

Yep everything equal keep convincing yourself its that simple
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Your correct you and others were crying about deficts. And now your not. Again turning wine into water ...
Its a predictable pattern
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Originally Posted by wdmso

Who stopped him... oh Republicans never saw that comming
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Originally Posted by wdmso

Yep everything equal keep convincing yourself its that simple
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woooo boy, your superior intellect sure showed us. You better take a break. That hamster must be plum tuckered out from spinning that wheel at that RPM

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

the ability to quote things that were never said is uncanny.

simple math 2019 - 15 = 2004 (Bush's 2nd term)

Still trying to fix stupid?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Still trying to fix stupid?
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says the dumbest person here who never adds anything other childlike insults.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So your saying the Dems. didn't care about it in the past (even though Bush left us with the worse economy since the great recession and most economist say you need deficit spending to get the econ. rolling) but the Reps did? So what party is showing the hypocrisy?

Wasn't another of Trump's promises that he would wipe out the deficit and the debt?

When do we get tired of winning?

Please tell me what Bush did, to cause that crash?

That crash was caused because BOTH PARTIES repealed Glass Seagal, which allowed banks to engage in investments. It occurred because banks were willing to make stupid loans, because consumers were willing to take on those stupid loans of their own free will, and because those loans were bundled into fishy derivitives that no one understands.

When the market crashed, Bush was POTUS, and the democrats controlled both chambers of Congress, right? But it's all Bush's fault.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Hey 27,000, best president ever, unless your one of the over 50% of working Americans who don't have a dime invested in the market, or are one of a fair percentage of those who our president just suggested you take it on back to where you came from.

a trillion dollar deficit is bad. it was bad when obama did it, it’s bad when trump does it. did you or wdmso comain
when obama did it every year? i
missed that.

record stock markets help everyone, even those not in the market. because the wealthy people who are in the market, pay capital gains taxes. that’s good. because when states have more tax revenue, they can help more people. hope i’m not going too fast for you.

orangemanbad
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