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Old 07-16-2019, 06:52 PM   #91
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This thread is a great example of snowflakes making a mountain out of a molehill.
Again (they do it a lot)
Trump (he started it)
Is there any way to twist words better than we witness here daily?
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The only ones here twisting words are the usual suspects.. whos only interest is being antagonistic like their man child Trump. Birds of feather...
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The only ones here twisting words are the usual suspects.. whos only interest is being antagonistic like their man child Trump. Birds of feather...
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A superb display of partisanship,can I use this as an example?
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:30 PM   #93
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In the last couple of week, your side has made baseless racism accusations against Biden, Pelosi, and Trump. No twisting there, that's what happened. When you shriek "racism" at Everyone who disagrees with you, when you say that a man who adopts a black daughter is racist because he has the nerve to run against Spence's Messiah, then at some point, you lose credibility. According to the left, everyone who disagrees with them on anything, even liberals who arent as radical as they are, are racist.

What's the limit on fake accusations before you just stop listening to the people making the fake accusations?

Oh, and ICE is running concentration camps. No twisting there, no sir, And Trump created all those detention centers, he didn't inherit them from Obama, right? The GOP created them out of this air, those bastards!! It was never a problem to keep kids in cages, until Trump started doing it. Want to explain that one?

This is how Trump got elected, this exact bullsh*t.

Trump's tweet was a stupid, counterproductive, offensive, divisive, vindictive tweet. It was all of those things. And that reaction makes me a Trumplican to you, because I also say it wasn't racist. It cannot be racist, unless you really think he would have reacted differently if they were white. Have you heard the nasty things he has said about Nancy Pelosi and Rachael Maddow and Rosie O'Donnell?

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Old 07-16-2019, 08:36 PM   #94
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:48 PM   #95
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Trump on Nancy Pelosi: a “nasty, vindictive, horrible person.”
https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-on-tru...154512412.html

Trump on Rosie ODonnell: fat pig, dog, slob and disgusting animal
https://www.newser.com/story/210963/...mp-insult.html

One of my all-time favorites, Trump on Arianna Huffington: unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man—he made a good decision.”

https://fortune.com/2015/08/09/trump...women-history/

There is a well established pattern of Trump saying horrible things to women who don't like him. This was another example of that.

Here is Trump telling NFL players (black and white) to stand proudly for the country, or else perhaps leave the country...https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...try-2018-05-24

Finally, how many famous people threatened to leave the country if he got elected? So why can't he spit that back in their face?

In any event, there's all kinds of evidence to suggest that as bad as Trump's tweet was, that it wasn't motivated by the skin color of the people he was referring to. Sorry snowflakes, there's a mountain of evidence suggesting it wasn't racism.

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Old 07-16-2019, 08:57 PM   #96
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Trump on Nancy Pelosi: a “nasty, vindictive, horrible person.”
https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-on-tru...154512412.html

Trump on Rosie ODonnell: fat pig, dog, slob and disgusting animal
https://www.newser.com/story/210963/...mp-insult.html

One of my all-time favorites, Trump on Arianna Huffington: unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man—he made a good decision.”

https://fortune.com/2015/08/09/trump...women-history/

There is a well established pattern of Trump saying horrible things to women who don't like him. This was another example of that.

Here is Trump telling NFL players (black and white) to stand proudly for the country, or else perhaps leave the country...https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...try-2018-05-24

Finally, how many famous people threatened to leave the country if he got elected? So why can't he spit that back in their face?

In any event, there's all kinds of evidence to suggest that as bad as Trump's tweet was, that it wasn't motivated by the skin color of the people he was referring to. Sorry snowflakes, there's a mountain of evidence suggesting it wasn't racism.
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So Jim demonstrates why Trump's remark is not racist as you lyingly claim and the best you can do is make some stupid characterization that is obviously not what Jim portrayed or meant (another one of your endless and persistent lies). Keep it up and you will be more like your version of Trump than Trump is.
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So Jim demonstrates why Trump's remark is not racist as you lyingly claim and the best you can do is make some stupid characterization that is obviously not what Jim portrayed or meant (another one of your endless and persistent lies). Keep it up and you will be more like your version of Trump than Trump is.
He claims that trump is not a racist because he will attack anyone in any manner possible, glad you’re impressed. I am not.
Trumplicans may cringe at the actions Jim listed. They may wince at his easily disproved lies. They may somehow shrug off his lack of understanding of government. They may claim the ends justify the means. But he is their guy, leader, example, role model.
He’s the President, son, but don’t act like him.
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He claims that trump is not a racist because he will attack anyone in any manner possible, glad you’re impressed. I am not.
Trumplicans may cringe at the actions Jim listed. They may wince at his easily disproved lies. They may somehow shrug off his lack of understanding of government. They may claim the ends justify the means. But he is their guy, leader, example, role model.
He’s the President, son, but don’t act like him.
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Jim was trying desperately to prove a point by citing other horrible things Trump has done.
He likely succeeded in establishing at a minimum that Trump is truly a misogynist, but possibly not a racist.

I think Trump is a Xenophobic bigot.

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He claims that trump is not a racist because he will attack anyone in any manner possible, glad you’re impressed. I am not.

He was responding to your version of racism. Your version does not stand up to rational and objective scrutiny. As was pointed out by Jim. And Jim was not trying to impress, but to demonstrate how you are wrong. This mode of argument by changing the subject, moving the goalpost, that you constantly employ is another form of lie that you use to squirm out of your own chit. If you're trying to impress with slight of hand, it comes off as very weak.

Trumplicans may cringe at the actions Jim listed. They may wince at his easily disproved lies. They may somehow shrug off his lack of understanding of government. They may claim the ends justify the means.

Putting words in "Trumplican's" mouth, or imputing your version of their motivation is another form of lie. It has been explained why and what motivation drove us to vote for him. It has been pointed out here over and over. So don't lie about having to paint a picture that isn't so. You lie, and lie, and lie, every time you talk about Trump, and you do that incessantly.

But he is their guy, leader, example, role model.
He’s the President, son, but don’t act like him.
Again, you're setting up a strawman lie. He has not been set up as a role model. On the other hand, he is not the frightful monster you lyingly make him out to be.

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Jim was trying desperately to prove a point by citing other horrible things Trump has done.

Again, you dip into the bag of your various forms of lying, here you disparage Jim's rational observation by painting it as desperation.

He likely succeeded in establishing at a minimum that Trump is truly a misogynist, but possibly not a racist.

See, that's based on your lying version of misogyny. Saying something negative about a specific woman is not misogynous. And using that lie to squirm out of Jim's "possibly" proving that your lie about Trump being a racist is wrong, is another pathetic attempt to use the moving the goal post lie.

I think Trump is a Xenophobic bigot.
Of course you do. Can you prove that he is. Or is your mission just to throw the notion out there, hoping it sticks?
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Again, you're setting up a strawman lie. He has not been set up as a role model. On the other hand, he is not the frightful monster you lyingly make him out to be.
Trump is certainly not a role model in my house.

Was Obama? Smoker, tried cocaine, his spiritual mentor (Rev Wright) was a racist maniac who hates America, his political mentor (Bill Ayers) is a domestic terrorist who hates America, his wife openly admitted that she was never proud of her country until he got the democratic nomination, Obama made fun of Special Olympians, blah, blah, blah.

I gave up a long time ago on looking to Wahsington DC to find role models. And that's fine, results are more important. Same with my company, I'd rather have a CEO who is a total pr*ck but who is effective, than a nice guy who can't do anything right.
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Again, you're setting up a strawman lie. He has not been set up as a role model. On the other hand, he is not the frightful monster you lyingly make him out to be.
Your Stable Genius isn't Racist is the title of the thread

Your opinion differs from mine, so should I label yours as a lie?
Your constant refrain is that anything critical of Dear Leader is a lie and very weak.

I have not seen a quantitative study of all voters to determine exactly why Trump was elected, have you? Yet you claim to speak for all.

You claim that the President is not a role model?

I certainly agree that is true in this case.

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Of course you do. Can you prove that he is. Or is your mission just to throw the notion out there, hoping it sticks?
Trump is married to a foreigner. So if he's a xenophpobe (one who dislikes foreigners), he's not a very good xenophobe, is he.
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Jim was trying desperately to prove a point by citing other horrible things Trump has done.
He likely succeeded in establishing at a minimum that Trump is truly a misogynist, but possibly not a racist.

I think Trump is a Xenophobic bigot.
I get it,you don’t like Trump and waste no time in displaying such. You read a lot about him and have become an expert at exploiting his actions that offend you. You have never given him his due for any of his accomplishments and like to call him names. So rather than just answering a question with any fairness you contrive ways to call him out at any and every opportunity. You apply rules to him that are acceptable elsewhere and act like you have exposed him. You are suffering mentally under his guidance and it has encompassed your very being. This is TDS and the fishing website is your therapy. You have my pity. But at least you won’t be calling him a racist anymore.
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pelosi called
trump a xenophobe yesterday. can someone explain to me, how someone who married an immigrant, can be a xenophobe?

McCain who adopted a black girl, was racist. And trump whos married to an immigrant, is a xenophobe.

what’s the % proof in that kool aid, anyway?
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Of course you do. Can you prove that he is. Or is your mission just to throw the notion out there, hoping it sticks?
One instance does not make one a misogynist or racist, repeated behavior is needed.
Jim cited numerous examples of Trump denigrating women.

It sticks for most people, without me throwing anything out.

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pelosi called
trump a xenophobe yesterday. can someone explain to me, how someone who married an immigrant, can be a xenophobe?

McCain who adopted a black girl, was racist. And trump whos married to an immigrant, is a xenophobe.

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There are two types of xenophobia:

The first type is cultural in nature. Those who are xenophobic are so against the objects and elements of a culture, such as clothing or language.
The second type of xenophobia is when an entire group is not considered part of the society. This can result, most often, from a mass immigration by one group into a country, though xenophobia can be present in relation to groups in the society who joined the community quite some time ago. This type of xenophobia can result in hostility and violence on a lower level up to greater persecution of the group through genocide.

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Your Stable Genius isn't Racist is the title of the thread

Should I be responding the title of this thread rather than to the comments you make in it?

Your opinion differs from mine, so should I label yours as a lie?

That would be one of the definitions of a lie that is used against Trump. So go ahead and do it. That would be another one of your lies.

I have not said because your opinion differs from mine that you are lying. Is this another of your concocted strawmen?


Your constant refrain is that anything critical of Dear Leader is a lie and very weak.

And yet another lie. I only point out the lies. I agree with valid criticism, and see no point in chirping me too.

have not seen a quantitative study of all voters to determine exactly why Trump was elected, have you? Yet you claim to speak for all.

The sample of voters on this forum is what I was going by, and whose views are clearly represented here which you either have seen since you respond to them, or your so blinded by your hate of Trump that you must twist them into something that they are not.

You claim that the President is not a role model?

I certainly agree that is true in this case.
We sort of agree. I didn't say he is not a role model. I said he was not set up as a role model. I don't think about it on that term. It's a very subjective view. Some things about Trump are admirable. Some things are not. I like what he's doing more than several of our past Presidents.

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So what do you and your "friend" do? Call each other up at 6 in the morning and discuss people's posts and figure out how to respond? Or do you call up your "friend" and say do you believe what so and so said? Why can't your "friend" ask the question himself?
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One instance does not make one a misogynist or racist, repeated behavior is needed.
Jim cited numerous examples of Trump denigrating women.

No, there are billions of specific women on the planet. Many or all of them can have negative things said about them. That would not be misogyny unless they were being disparaged simply because they are women. It's not about the number of women. It's about the nature of the denigration.

Besides, Trump has said many things about many women that are positive and praising. And has promoted various women, including in the workplace. It is obvious, if you're honest and objective, that he is not a misogynist.


It sticks for most people, without me throwing anything out.
Have you taken a survey of most people?
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There are two types of xenophobia:

The first type is cultural in nature. Those who are xenophobic are so against the objects and elements of a culture, such as clothing or language.
The second type of xenophobia is when an entire group is not considered part of the society. This can result, most often, from a mass immigration by one group into a country, though xenophobia can be present in relation to groups in the society who joined the community quite some time ago. This type of xenophobia can result in hostility and violence on a lower level up to greater persecution of the group through genocide.
Neither of those types apply to what Trump said.
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Neither of those types apply to what Trump said.
In your opinion
Trump defined a group and then suggested they leave our society.

"Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries"

The second type of xenophobia is when an entire group is not considered part of the society.

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Have you taken a survey of most people?
I just commissioned it, just for you.

Here are a few interviews of the woman he promoted

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...res-woman-card

https://www.thedailybeast.com/former...ist?ref=scroll

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-women-104728/

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