Someone was listening

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You're not stupid, but you're not being reasonable. The "top" has been around since the beginning of this illegal immigration problem, way before Trump. And the top, which is not just the President, has been botching it all along. Much of that failure has not been merely ineptitude, but intentional. Much of it has been political rhetoric which many have "listened" to a la in the title of your thread--including the immigrants who saw legislation and heard words that encouraged, not dissuaded, them to keep coming.

To blame this shooting on the use of a word that honestly described the situation is beyond being merely myopic. It is political disingenuousness--a minor factoid stretched into a big lie.

Not to recognize the real problem with illegal immigration, not to recognize that there has been a concerted effort to avoid a solution to it, and then to jump to the conclusion that Trump's word caused the shooting, is made-up stuff rather than rational thinking. When honest use of language re immigration becomes the supposed cause for a mass shooting, then we have gone too far down the rabbit hole of political opposition to have a rational discussion.

It is obvious that there is political opposition to solving the immigration problem, other than actually continuing the flow. And there is finally one guy who is actually trying to stop it. And it is obvious that this guy is a threat to the greater agenda of his opposition. And it is obvious that Trump is, therefor, being characterized as the most evil being possible, falsely smearing him as a racist, homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe, Nazi, Fascist, conspirer with the enemy, hater, inspirer of killers, whatever label can be concocted in order to destroy him.

So someone was listening alright, a lot of folks were, millions of them. Millions came here illegally because of what they heard. And millions are hearing about Trump being the devil incarnate. They are hearing that his words which accurately describe situations are actually dog whistles, code, triggers to violence. That his words, not the ineptitude, the lying, the deceit of our political class--that his words like "invasion" and "infested" are the problem--that such words, rightly used, are the cause of violence.

And your characterization that the White Supremacy movement has embraced Trump is a false connection to him. He has condemned them. But that connection is one of the concocted labels used to destroy him. As in his Charlottesville quote in which he said that there were good people on both sides. His opposition falsely, intentionally, twisted it into him saying that the white nationalists were good people. Trump specifically said that he was not referring to them, that very day. But they kept repeating the lie, and they still are, and people, perhaps like you, are listening to that lie And believing it.

The REAL problem is the WRONG people getting weapons that can inflict so much death in so little time, but Trumps words DO matter.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

The REAL problem is the WRONG people getting weapons that can inflict so much death in so little time, but Trumps words DO matter.
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Trump has said nothing that would cause a rational person to kill a bunch of people. Censuring legitimate speech under the pretense of not provoking irrational or stupid people is a terrible idea. It is a method of thought and speech control.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Trump has said nothing that would cause a rational person to kill a bunch of people, he has however since he started his 2016 campaign promoted violence (he will pay your legal fees) and empowered the hate filled white supremacy groups to attack those evil invaders.

Fixed it for you. Sure Trump has freedom of speech as we all do, but his words are heard by an entire country and the hate filled speech and the words not spoken matter. In his recent rally a participant yelled out shoot them in response to Trump stating I don’t know how to stop them and in typical Trump fashion he jokes that only in the pan handle can you do that. No condemnation of violence, no insistence chance must be peaceful and thru legislation, just a joke making it clear hey I can’t tell you not to.
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[wdmso]

latest meme making the rounds on FB ... I said this yesterday

Tumps base still just sees these shooting's the actions of a single person (aka Crazy) no matter the reason

[PaulS]

Violent video games

I wonder if the shooter thought he was helping to stop an "infestation"?

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Violent video games

I wonder if the shooter thought he was helping to stop an "infestation"?

Newsweek had an article stating in the past year or so Trump has bought over 2200 facebook ads mentioning an "invasion" and nearly all about immigration.

But...but...but Clinton said deplorable! Give me a break.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Newsweek had an article stating in the past year or so Trump has bought over 2200 facebook ads mentioning an "infestation" and nearly all about immigration.

But...but...but Clinton said deplorable! Give me a break.

Sounds like an attempt to "fix" what Trump said. I have used the word infestation many times. I guess I've been fixed into a racist.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Newsweek had an article stating in the past year or so Trump has bought over 2200 facebook ads mentioning an "infestation" and nearly all about immigration.

But...but...but Clinton said deplorable! Give me a break.

she did say deplorable. and is she in the oval
office at the moment?

Spence, why didn’t we see this level of carnage (mass shootings and garden variety gang violence) in the 1950s? Is it because we had better laws back then? Were guns not available back then? Did Eisenhower single
handedly suppress violence? Or is it all Trumps fault?

Or is violence correlated with the breakdown of the nuclear family?

Have fun answering that. You can’t, not in a way that doesn’t take a big dump all over your worldview.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

Newsweek had an article stating in the past year or so Trump has bought over 2200 facebook ads mentioning an "invasion" and nearly all about immigration.

But...but...but Clinton said deplorable! Give me a break.

Cue the straw talk Jeff.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Fixed it for you. Sure Trump has freedom of speech as we all do, but his words are heard by an entire country and the hate filled speech and the words not spoken matter. In his recent rally a participant yelled out shoot them in response to Trump stating I don’t know how to stop them and in typical Trump fashion he jokes that only in the pan handle can you do that. No condemnation of violence, no insistence chance must be peaceful and thru legislation, just a joke making it clear hey I can’t tell you not to.
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No, you didn't fix it for me, you fixed it for yourself. Which is exactly the trick the left is playing when it "fixes" things Trump says by falsely accusing him of saying something other than what he said--in order to fix it for themselves, to make him the evil that they will "fix."

I have actually watched some of his rallies, and, no, his campaign does not "promote" violence. I saw the context of what was said that you object to. The intent and motivation were not what you claim. What you've been fed is a pattern of "fixing."

But his campaign does promote a lot of other things that are good and necessary. And he appears to be one who actually tries to fulfill his promises, unlike the typical pols that preceded him.