Someone was listening

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How many people have Antifa killed?

And I'm not defending them but compared to Neo Nazis and White supremacist they are in a different class.

Ignorance on display
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

Seems like right reason wrong action vs wrong reason wrong action = not the same.

Or more simply, Antifa is going to tap into a small fragment of the population who think they want to be dogooders and get a rise out of it. The white nationalist thing is pulling on the ugly roots of our broader society and is much, much more serious.

Some in the GOP have called for Antifa to be labeled a terror group. To terrorize the American people to not be Fascists? Do the math.

This is the Robin Hood syndrome for snowflakes apparently.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Seems like right reason wrong action vs wrong reason wrong action = not the same.

So when Antifa kills someone, because people thinking like you think there is some nobility in their actions, that will be OK ?

Originally Posted by spence

Or more simply, Antifa is going to tap into a small fragment of the population who think they want to be dogooders and get a rise out of it. The white nationalist thing is pulling on the ugly roots of our broader society and is much, much more serious.

Antifa = DoGooders? Am I getting this right?



I am Gobsmacked, that you think there is some honorable ground here.

Originally Posted by spence

Some in the GOP have called for Antifa to be labeled a terror group. To terrorize the American people to not be Fascists? Do the math.

Antifa = Terrorist Group
Neo Nazis = Terrorist Group
White Supremacists = Terrorist Group

Once they get violent and exceed any Constitutionally granted protection, they should go to jail. You'd probably let them out, and at least vote while in the klink.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

that’s all antifa does, speak out against fascism? tell that to
this guy, beaten by antifa not because he supports fascism, but because he tried to stop antifa from beating a transgender. only the left would say “we’re opposed to fascism, now do as we say or we’ll beat you to a pulp.”

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...a-attack-port/

“do the math”.

here’s some math.

80 > your IQ.
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Homework up Jim. The guy you posted was there for action.

As for my IQ, it's probably closer to 60

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Ignorance on display
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funny coming from the person who knows nothing and says nothing other than childish insults. As I said I'd be embarrassed to post like you do.
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[Got Stripers]

Dayton shooter with the rounds he had if not for the police that close would have likely killed far more than the Texas shooter, yet Moscow Mitch is sitting on legislation that certainly doesn’t address everything wrong, but does beaf up background checks.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Dayton shooter with the rounds he had if not for the police that close would have likely killed far more than the Texas shooter, yet Moscow Mitch is sitting on legislation that certainly doesn’t address everything wrong, but does beaf up background checks.
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Right, what did he do, kill 9 and wound 20+ in 30 goddamn #^&#^&#^&#^&ing seconds....
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by spence

Homework up Jim. The guy you posted was there for action.

As for my IQ, it's probably closer to 60

Ive got a photo same guy nose to nose with antifa protester.. hes no innocent
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Then we disagree, significantly. A mob, alt-left or alt-right, that uses violence to achieve its means, is dangerous. But because they are merely reacting to assholios on the right, it is OK in your book?

This violence (by Both Sides) will continue to get worse until Good People (from Both Sides) recognize that it is a violent fringe that is growing where the fault lies on bad actors and crappy ideology of Both Sides.

Maybe the Antifa commies are not as competent yet: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...gration-centre

Check out Antifa and Soca ili st Rif le As sociat ion on reddit, you'll find plenty of ne're do wells, incels, and Lost Boys there too. You just don't have as much an issue with their motivation.

PS - read the link on the Lost Boys - 4 years old but still seems plenty of evidence to support it (and written by one of the OG Never Trumpers) https://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09...the-lost-boys/






Ahhh, the difference in my "Both Sides" is I point out the bad and good comes from "Both Sides" whereas you draw a strong demarcation between the sides. And when you want to trash Trump you use this his "Both Sides are Good People" to sat he is providing cover from right wing extremism.

So is that a yes or no that Trumps words have motivated some people to violence . Or is it another both sides do it.. because its clear that neither side has ever done or doing what trumps doing .. and even the suggestion he is treating the office he holds with honor or he has no culpability. in what he says and what others do in his name is a travesty.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So is that a yes or no that Trumps words have motivated some people to violence . Or is it another both sides do it.. because its clear that neither side has ever done or doing what trumps doing .. and even the suggestion he is treating the office he holds with honor or he has no culpability. in what he says and what others do in his name is a travesty.
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And clearly none of this ever happened before Trump.

Both sides do it. Some is intentional, some is not. Most assisted by various echo chambers. When those echo chambers fuel lost boys (Adam Lanza, Dylan Roof, Nikolas Cruz) that have serious mental issues, who's fault is it?

Would Joe Biden be at fault if someone took a shot at Mitt Romney when he said Mitt was gonna put y'all back in chains? Was Bernie at fault when whatshisface shot up the Congressional Baseball Practice?

Did Trump incite the violence when Micah Johnson shot 5 Dallas Cops at the height of BLM? Lee Boyd Malvo? Tim McVeigh? The Facebook Girl? Omar Mateen? All the instances that happened before 2017 were Trump's fault too? Or is there something else at play? Tell me how this problem started in January 2017 - I'm waiting.

Does it only matter to you when it's Trump's fault?

Most of these instances are kids with serious issues. Not white supremacists going out killing people but these people with serious issues being attracted to them. When these kids start gravitating to Antifa and Hard Core Anarchists, will Spence give them a pass because they are just reacting to this that or the other?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Ive got a photo same guy nose to nose with antifa protester.. hes no innocent
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right he had it coming. antifa doesn’t engage in unprovoked
violence.
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[Pete F.]

Keep believing

After he screwed up reading the teleprompter & said “Toledo” when it said “Texas & Ohio” and had his tongue coming out again which is a classic dementia symptom, I once again remind everyone this is a man with conspicuous mental deterioration & numerous obvious signs of dementia.
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[Got Stripers]

Keep dancing around the main issue, there are a lot of f*ckec up white supremacy nuts, neo nazi, or just some young adult the was bullied at home or school, with so much social media influence and so many weapons of mass destruction.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Keep believing

After he screwed up reading the teleprompter & said “Toledo” when it said “Texas & Ohio” and had his tongue coming out again which is a classic dementia symptom, I once again remind everyone this is a man with conspicuous mental deterioration & numerous obvious signs of dementia.
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Your stuff is getting extremely, even psychotically, hilarious.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Keep dancing around the main issue, there are a lot of f*ckec up white supremacy nuts, neo nazi, or just some young adult the was bullied at home or school, with so much social media influence and so many weapons of mass destruction.
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What if the Dayton Shooter turned out to be a Socialist, and a Bernie and Warren Fan? Would Trump's "invasion" or "infestation" words be responsible? Would any Trump words be responsible? Would Trump, in any way, be responsible? Would Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren be responsible?

I think the subject of this thread was about someone listening to some words, not about guns.

Who's responsible, what words are responsible for all the violence that occurs daily in this country? Trump?

The words spoken by you and PeteF over and over on this political forum are far more incendiary than words like "invasion" or "infestation." And don't point out that you are not the President. People hear these words spoken across the country by people like you and by various media. And they are heard, EVERY DAY, by millions of people--many of those people who have not heard Trump's speeches or read about them, but who daily hear about what a Nazi, traitor, White Nationalist, racist, homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe, Fascist, hater, inspirer of killers, Trump is. Should you and Pete F and the media and the millions like you, be restricted from saying the things you say because, for certain, they are heard by a whole lot of people some of whom are crazies?

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So is that a yes or no that Trumps words have motivated some people to violence . Or is it another both sides do it.. because its clear that neither side has ever done or doing what trumps doing .. and even the suggestion he is treating the office he holds with honor or he has no culpability. in what he says and what others do in his name is a travesty.
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Now you know how god must feel,think of the crimes committed in his name.

What a great president.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What if the Dayton Shooter turned out to be a Socialist, and a Bernie and Warren Fan? Would Trump's "invasion" or "infestation" words be responsible? Would any Trump words be responsible? Would Trump, in any way, be responsible? Would Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren be responsible?

I think the subject of this thread was about someone listening to some words, not about guns.

Who's responsible, what words are responsible for all the violence that occurs daily in this country? Trump?

The words spoken by you and PeteF over and over on this political forum are far more incendiary than words like "invasion" or "infestation." And don't point out that you are not the President. People hear these words spoken across the country by people like you and by various media. And they are heard, EVERY DAY, by millions of people--many of those people who have not heard Trump's speeches or read about them, but who daily hear about what a Nazi, traitor, White Nationalist, racist, homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe, Fascist, hater, inspirer of killers, Trump is. Should you and Pete F and the media and the millions like you, be restricted from saying the things you say because, for certain, they are heard by a whole lot of people some of whom are crazies?

Calling BS, I never talk politics outside of this forum, so no my words aren’t being heard by more than a small handful. BUT millions heard Trumps words and they do matter and while he finally came out (wonder what pressure was brought to bear to make that happen, family or party), they were a bit late IMHO. You defend the clown at every turn no surprise, no less than Jim on the market and economy (long term vision be damned), or Dangles best president ever.

God forbid I tried to change the discussion from partisan BS into something constructive, but where might that go. Do we want to talk about gun legislation or why or how someone with a screw loose can buy an assault weapon and put a 100 round magazine on it. Can you imagine the death toll had officers not been right there?

If nothing changes it will only increase, but if the NRA and lobbying keeps buying our policies we are doomed to repeat these over and over.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Calling BS, I never talk politics outside of this forum, so no my words aren’t being heard by more than a small handful. BUT millions heard Trumps words and they do matter and while he finally came out (wonder what pressure was brought to bear to make that happen, family or party), they were a bit late IMHO. You defend the clown at every turn no surprise, no less than Jim on the market and economy (long term vision be damned), or Dangles best president ever.

God forbid I tried to change the discussion from partisan BS into something constructive, but where might that go. Do we want to talk about gun legislation or why or how someone with a screw loose can buy an assault weapon and put a 100 round magazine on it. Can you imagine the death toll had officers not been right there?

If nothing changes it will only increase, but if the NRA and lobbying keeps buying our policies we are doomed to repeat these over and over.
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I'm willing to talk meaningful changes, let's talk about someone with a screw loose being able to buy a semi-automatic rifle. Versus, why should someone without a loose screw be told they can't?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Calling BS, I never talk politics outside of this forum, so no my words aren’t being heard by more than a small handful.

It's not just you. You are not naïve. You must know that the words you and PeteF speak on this forum are spoken by millions of others. INCLUDING THE MEDIA which blasts the electronic and print networks with the same words and labels and characterizations that you and PeteF spout here. Where do you get your notions? Most of your anti-Trump posts sound like regurgitations picked up from media sources. Your message is the mantra spoken by millions who didn't create it but speak it puppet like to anyone who will listen.

BUT millions heard Trumps words and they do matter and while he finally came out (wonder what pressure was brought to bear to make that happen, family or party), they were a bit late IMHO.

Too late for what? And he has made similar condemnations several times before. Was it always too late in your IMHO? Did those words not matter then? It has been clear that he is not Alt right, not a Nazi, not a misogynist, not a collaborator, not a White Nationalist, not a homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe, Fascist. And that has been clear for a long time to anyone with an objective view. It has been clear that, because of the strength of the economy, and that the disasters that were predicted because he was President have not happened, and that immigration was not a winning policy for the left, and that nothing policy wise seemed to destroy Trump, that the Dems had to concoct an incessant message of Trump being the anti-American evil traitor who hated everybody except radical right white men.

You defend the clown at every turn no surprise, no less than Jim on the market and economy (long term vision be damned), or Dangles best president ever.

No, I just point out the unreal, unjust accusations and characterization made about Trump. And you participate in those at every turn no surprise.

He is the President, like it or not. And if he had the full support of the people he would have more clout against China and NK, for instance. Instead, those enemies are encouraged by the words from the left and the rest of the anti-Trump puppets to resist giving up anything for the betterment of world economic and political security. We would all be better off on the big issues if we all supported him instead of trying to destroy him.

So, yeah, words matter. And yours are not helpful. They hurt the country. China has been eating our lunch for decades. And no President, or party, has done anything about that. They have enabled it, and made it worse. China is the big threat to Western Democracy and our American way of life, not Russia. Without China, Russia would be a political pimple.

And no President or party has fulfilled the promise to stop illegal immigration. They all made pretend moves that temporarily stanched public opinion, then moved on. It would help to support this President in his far more concerted attention and effort to resolve the problem if we all backed him instead of trying to stop everything he does and lying about him being a racist and against immigration, blah, blah.

And it would help if we all would admit that his tax and regulatory policies were good for the economy instead of constantly claiming that they had nothing to do with it and only benefited the rich and threatening to change everything back to the stagnant new normal.

Yeah, words matter.

God forbid I tried to change the discussion from partisan BS into something constructive, but where might that go. Do we want to talk about gun legislation or why or how someone with a screw loose can buy an assault weapon and put a 100 round magazine on it. Can you imagine the death toll had officers not been right there?

If nothing changes it will only increase, but if the NRA and lobbying keeps buying our policies we are doomed to repeat these over and over.
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Well, wouldn't that be the proper discussion in another thread? You didn't start this thread about gun control. Your title suggested it was about someone listening to and being motivated by Trump's words.

But if you want to change the subject, JohnR said he is willing to go at it with you. I would be interested in hearing that discussion.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What if the Dayton Shooter turned out to be a Socialist, and a Bernie and Warren Fan? Would Trump's "invasion" or "infestation" words be responsible? Would any Trump words be responsible? Would Trump, in any way, be responsible? Would Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren be responsible?

I think the subject of this thread was about someone listening to some words, not about guns.

Who's responsible, what words are responsible for all the violence that occurs daily in this country? Trump?

The words spoken by you and PeteF over and over on this political forum are far more incendiary than words like "invasion" or "infestation." And don't point out that you are not the President. People hear these words spoken across the country by people like you and by various media. And they are heard, EVERY DAY, by millions of people--many of those people who have not heard Trump's speeches or read about them, but who daily hear about what a Nazi, traitor, White Nationalist, racist, homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe, Fascist, hater, inspirer of killers, Trump is. Should you and Pete F and the media and the millions like you, be restricted from saying the things you say because, for certain, they are heard by a whole lot of people some of whom are crazies?

Trump started the day he came down the escalator and demonized Mexicans.
He consistently labels groups as evil in his political speech and spreads lies.
The immigration lottery system is done by us not foreign governments choosing whom to send. Watch his rallies and think.
All his life he has been a con man, that’s as close to conservative as he’ll ever get.
Just look at his cabinet with all the “best” people, the best people want nothing to do with him.
Bannon, Miller, Kushner, Kudlow, Devos, Mullaney, Hicks, Craft, Carson, Ross comprise his ship of fools with Ivanka as mascot.
We are heading into a storm of trump’s own making now with the world economy and no capable leader is to be seen.
Putin is grinning.
Don’t worry though, Trump has no deals in Russia.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

right he had it coming. antifa doesn’t engage in unprovoked
violence.
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thats funny you still think he was an just innocent bystander minding his business trying to rescue a gay person must be a The Washington Times or Washington Examiner storie tell you that

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Now you know how god must feel,think of the crimes committed in his name.

What a great president.
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exactly the base thinks Trump was a gift from god so what he say is scripture to some

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I'm willing to talk meaningful changes, let's talk about someone with a screw loose being able to buy a semi-automatic rifle. Versus, why should someone without a loose screw be told they can't?

that's the issue with Gun control .. you all have ready drawn a conclusion why hasn't worked .. why should someone without a loose screw be told they can't?

the Gun lobby has convinced gun owners its about taking their guns
and you just validated that argument ..

its always been about stopping the guy with the screwloose

My stance is unacceptable to gun people have has many guns as you want .. my only requirements are there registered and the types of guns should be on a tier based license.. we do it with driving

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And clearly none of this ever happened before Trump.

Both sides do it. Some is intentional, some is not. Most assisted by various echo chambers. When those echo chambers fuel lost boys (Adam Lanza, Dylan Roof, Nikolas Cruz) that have serious mental issues, who's fault is it?

Would Joe Biden be at fault if someone took a shot at Mitt Romney when he said Mitt was gonna put y'all back in chains? Was Bernie at fault when whatshisface shot up the Congressional Baseball Practice?

Did Trump incite the violence when Micah Johnson shot 5 Dallas Cops at the height of BLM? Lee Boyd Malvo? Tim McVeigh? The Facebook Girl? Omar Mateen? All the instances that happened before 2017 were Trump's fault too? Or is there something else at play? Tell me how this problem started in January 2017 - I'm waiting.

Does it only matter to you when it's Trump's fault?

Most of these instances are kids with serious issues. Not white supremacists going out killing people but these people with serious issues being attracted to them. When these kids start gravitating to Antifa and Hard Core Anarchists, will Spence give them a pass because they are just reacting to this that or the other?

So thats a NO Trumps word have in no way shape or form influenced people to conduct violent acts .. their just deranged which I agree .. every fuse gets lit some how... seeing Trumps the number 1 match thrower ....... its hard to dodge the correlation

[Pete F.]

If many of the folks who watch Fox News turned it off and played video games instead, we would likely see a reduction in the rise of white nationalism.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Well, wouldn't that be the proper discussion in another thread? You didn't start this thread about gun control. Your title suggested it was about someone listening to and being motivated by Trump's words.

But if you want to change the subject, JohnR said he is willing to go at it with you. I would be interested in hearing that discussion.

My opinions on Trump come from listening to him, watching the steps he has taken and the executive action an inactions taken, I’m not brainwashed by the media reporting. You however may be, because while you state he has clearly proven not to be deserving of the long list of labels you have listed, he fits the description by action on most.

You defend him vehemently and will always win (in your mind) the argument. You don’t believe his campaign seeker help from the Russians, you don’t believe he obstructed the investigation, you don’t believe he has this weird love of some of our most dangerous enemies, or that he has caused in part the dramatic increase of border crossings by words and policies. You are our boards resident AG, your new nickname should be D-Barr.

Respond if you like, I rarely get a third thru your long winded posts, because it’s like seeing the same movie for the tenth time, it just old.
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[wdmso]

Love this defense of Trump
No one blamed' Obama for 'anti-police rhetoric' when cops were shot during his term they said that after the synagogue shooting and saying it now..

I think there's a problem with police abuse in this country.'
Obama"

Wow thats a call to violence if i ever heard one
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[Sea Dangles]

Liz Warren will fix it.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Respond if you like, I rarely get a third thru your long winded posts, because it’s like seeing the same movie for the tenth time, it just old.
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his posts are actually interesting and informative if you don't have your fingers in your ears muttering the same words over and over trying to convince yourself that what you believe is true

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

that's the issue with Gun control .. you all have ready drawn a conclusion why hasn't worked .. why should someone without a loose screw be told they can't?

the Gun lobby has convinced gun owners its about taking their guns
and you just validated that argument ..

its always been about stopping the guy with the screwloose

My stance is unacceptable to gun people have has many guns as you want .. my only requirements are there registered and the types of guns should be on a tier based license.. we do it with driving

Overall Gun related deaths are down near 40% since the mid 90s. The outliers of this are mass shootings and increased inner city violence. Mental Health and Gangs, yet we mostly gloss over this and go for the vast majority of law abiding Citizens. How The Bleep does this make sense Wayne?

The issue is the people with the screw loose yet you and the left continue to say take all the guns. Because the left says we're gonna take the guns.

We have a tier based system, actual automatic rifles and machine guns and such require a heavy price / tax / cause.

Kamala Harris is willing to send Cops to confiscate guns.
Eric Slawell is willing to nuke ya if you don't.
Vox wants complete confiscation.
All of the Dems want some vastly increased level of registration or confiscation type legislation.

I don't effing care. This is my Constitutional Right to have something that can adequately protect my home and family if I need to.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If many of the folks who watch Fox News turned it off and played video games instead, we would likely see a reduction in the rise of white nationalism.
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You really have snapped?

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

My opinions on Trump come from listening to him, watching the steps he has taken and the executive action an inactions taken, I’m not brainwashed by the media reporting. You however may be, because while you state he has clearly proven not to be deserving of the long list of labels you have listed, he fits the description by action on most.

You defend him vehemently and will always win (in your mind) the argument. You don’t believe his campaign seeker help from the Russians, you don’t believe he obstructed the investigation, you don’t believe he has this weird love of some of our most dangerous enemies, or that he has caused in part the dramatic increase of border crossings by words and policies. You are our boards resident AG, your new nickname should be D-Barr.

Respond if you like, I rarely get a third thru your long winded posts, because it’s like seeing the same movie for the tenth time, it just old.
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