Trump Is Going to Burn Down Everything and Everyone, and Republicans, That Means You

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

get some facts.

clinton’s affair didn’t get him
impeached. lying under oath got him impeached. he also got disbarred. there might not be a profession outside of politics that has less scruples in it than lawyers, and even they decided clinton was too sleazy to be associated with them.

trump will likely get impeached, I’d bet he does, there’s too much momentum for the democrats to stop. like clinton, there is zero chance the senate votes to remove him. Unlike Clinton, Trump will wear his impeachment by this House, as a badge of honor. you still have no idea who he is, how he operates, how he won the election against the most inevitable candidate ever. all you see is what cnn shows you, much of which is true, but it’s not the whole
story. you’re missing some key parts to how he operates, and why he’s successful.

he won just about every state that was possibly up for grabs. how do you suppose he did it? did the russians hand it to him? or were the voters in those states sick of being called deplorable, sick of being called bitter clingers, sick of being ignored, and tired of the media’s dishonesty?

there is a chance that impeachment is a big, big help to him. Pete doesn’t see it, i doubt you or Spence see it. CNN won’t spend a lot of time discussing it.
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Momentum isnt what he might get impeached for.. and you know that . You just dont care what he has done. That much is certian.. i guess calli ng the whistleblower treasonous. Isn't intimidating a witness's
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Momentum isnt what he might get impeached for.. and you know that . You just dont care what he has done. That much is certian.. i guess calli ng the whistleblower treasonous. Isn't intimidating a witness's.. answer this will Trump speak under oath. Will he let pompano testify or will he claim executive privilege..to avoid the facts
All i can say is independents and if berine bows out Trump cant count on a split ticket to shave votes from the dems nominee
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Momentum isnt what he might get impeached for.. and you know that . You just dont care what he has done. That much is certian.. i guess calli ng the whistleblower treasonous. Isn't intimidating a witness's
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political momentum, so far, is all this is. pelosi could
no longer hold off the lunatics, and they scheduled impeachment discussions
before anything if this latest controversy was revealed. again, you have talib selling “impeach the
motherf*cker” t shirts, you have maxine waters saying he deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison in solitary confinement, you have spence here who couldn’t bear the thought of coming here for weeks after the election.

trump broke your brains.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

political momentum, so far, is all this is. pelosi could
no longer hold off the lunatics, and they scheduled impeachment discussions
before anything if this latest controversy was revealed. again, you have talib selling “impeach the
motherf*cker” t shirts, you have maxine waters saying he deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison in solitary confinement, you have spence here who couldn’t bear the thought of coming here for weeks after the election.

trump broke your brains.
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You need to learn how to read .. and understand what Trump did or asked to be done is inexcusable at any leval of politics but to be done by the POTUS seen as acceptable By his Secretary of State then many attempts to hide or keep the info suppressed from committee and the public .. Since when has winning an election allowed any POTUS to do as they please.. didnt help Nixon or Clinton.. but some how this in your eyes is just political.. not enforcement of acceptable practices procedures and to protect the national security of our country .. Sadly your Man Trump sees these check and balances as obstruction to his power and position as if when elected he rubbed a genie lamp and was given dominion over the United States
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You need to learn how to read .. and understand what Trump did or asked to be done is inexcusable at any leval of politics but to be done by the POTUS seen as acceptable By his Secretary of State then many attempts to hide or keep the info suppressed from committee and the public .. Since when has winning an election allowed any POTUS to do as they please.. didnt help Nixon or Clinton.. but some how this in your eyes is just political.. not enforcement of acceptable practices procedures and to protect the national security of our country .. Sadly your Man Trump sees these check and balances as obstruction to his power and position as if when elected he rubbed a genie lamp and was given dominion over the United States
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wdmso, they were calling for
his impeachment from day one. it’s been their obsession. that doesn’t mean this wasn’t an impeachable offense. but you have to
admit, they’ve humiliated themselves a few times in the desperation to bring him down.

this isn’t objective fact. plenty of
left leaning constitutional lawyers, plenty of people who aren’t trumplicans, are saying this is wrong. i don’t know what to believe, how can i when half say one thing, half say the other.

i do know that similar ( not identical) behavior was totally acceptable when democrats did it and benefitted from it. That’s why i say this is political, and not based on principles. Tell me that Biden should be forbidden from running based on what he did, and i’ll put a lot more credibility on what you say. otherwise, it’s nothing but partisan.
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1175762]wdmso, they were calling for
his impeachment from day one. it’s been their obsession. that doesn’t mean this wasn’t an impeachable offense. but you have to
admit, they’ve humiliated themselves a few times in the desperation to bring him down.

this isn’t objective fact. plenty of
left leaning constitutional lawyers, plenty of people who aren’t trumplicans, are saying this is wrong. i don’t know what to believe, how can i when half say one thing, half say the other.

i do know that similar ( not identical) behavior was totally acceptable when democrats did it and benefitted from it. That’s why i say this is political, and not based on principles. Tell me that Biden should be forbidden from running based on what he did, and i’ll put a lot more credibility on what you say. otherwise, it’s nothing but partisan.
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Republicans wanted to impeach Obama.. he never gave the a reason... learn your history he dodge the muller report. but wasnt absolved and now this .. its called a pattern of behavior ps what you insist biden did is a debunked lie told to you by right wing blogers .. the only fact is his son had a job.. everything else didnt matter untill the phone call came out?? Why is that?? Is Ukraine the only corrupt country? Now china was asked as well?? .
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[Jim in CT]

[QUOTE=wdmso;1175794]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wdmso, they were calling for
his impeachment from day one. it’s been their obsession. that doesn’t mean this wasn’t an impeachable offense. but you have to
admit, they’ve humiliated themselves a few times in the desperation to bring him down.

this isn’t objective fact. plenty of
left leaning constitutional lawyers, plenty of people who aren’t trumplicans, are saying this is wrong. i don’t know what to believe, how can i when half say one thing, half say the other.

i do know that similar ( not identical) behavior was totally acceptable when democrats did it and benefitted from it. That’s why i say this is political, and not based on principles. Tell me that Biden should be forbidden from running based on what he did, and i’ll put a lot more credibility on what you say. otherwise, it’s nothing but partisan.
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Republicans wanted to impeach Obama.. he never gave the a reason... learn your history he dodge the muller report. but wasnt absolved and now this .. its called a pattern of behavior ps what you insist biden did is a debunked lie told to you by right wing blogers .. the only fact is his son had a job.. everything else didnt matter untill the phone call came out?? Why is that?? Is Ukraine the only corrupt country? Now china was asked as well?? .
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"Republicans wanted to impeach Obama"

Who? When? How much time did they spend trying to do that?

"he never gave the a reason"

I agree 100%.

"learn your history...he dodge the muller report. but wasnt absolved"

Again, I agree. But a prosecutor's job isn't to absolve. It's to charge or not charge. My knowledge of history isn't the problem, your knowledge of civics is the problem.

"what you insist biden did is a debunked lie told to you by right wing blogers .. the only fact is his son had a job"

Noo, it's thoughtless kool aid drinkers who won't question anything about their side, who say it's all myth. He got that job, a job he had zero qualifications for, at the very time his dad was the point man on Ukraine. Just a coincidence. Of course there's no smoking gun, but an awful lot of fishy things.

WHere is your evidence that Trump asking them to investigate Biden was political, not a genuine attempt to see if there was any wrongdoing? Can you prove his intent? Nope. I'm not saying it wasn't political, but the fact is, there was enough there to look into it. Furthermore, where is your evidence that withholding military aid was a way to blackmail Ukraine to investigate Biden, as opposed to it being a way to get the Europeans to pony up more? But it's OK when you rely on circumstantial evidence, dumb hen I do it with Biden. The only explanation for that hypocrisy, is politics.

When circumstantial evidence suggests Biden was acting unethically, you put your fingers in your ears and ignore it. When circumstantial evidence suggests Trump acted unethically, by jiminy that's good enough for you.

All that matters, is the politics.

If what Trump did is disqualifying, so is doing what Biden did. I'm saying treat them both the same, give them each the same benefit of the doubt, or the same lack of benefit of the doubt. Isn't that the very definition of "fair"?

Have fun making that wrong.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

this isn’t objective fact. plenty of
left leaning constitutional lawyers, are saying this is wrong. i don’t know what to believe, how can i when half say one thing, half say the other.

i
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Who besides Dershowitz, comprises your plenty?

[Jim in CT]

Pete, first you started a thread suggesting that Trump actually, truly wanted to incite a civil war. Here, you're saying he wants to burn everything to the ground.

Which is it?

You're coming completely un-glued, even for you. He's probably going to get impeached. There is absolutely no way he gets removed, he will be in power until at least January 2021, unless something else comes out.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, first you started a thread suggesting that Trump actually, truly wanted to incite a civil war. Here, you're saying he wants to burn everything to the ground.

Which is it?

You're coming completely un-glued, even for you. He's probably going to get impeached. There is absolutely no way he gets removed, he will be in power until at least January 2021, unless something else comes out.

He threatens to destroy everything or that it will just self-destruct unless he wins, though you might claim it is just puffery.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

what Trump did or asked to be done is inexcusable at any leval of politics

Why is it inexcusable if it is not only legal, but perfectly in line with treaty obligations?

As for levels of "politics," they are so broad and full of deception that it would be laughable to expect them to be excusable. "Politics," as we know it, and is practiced, is mostly spin, deceit, biased framing, slanting, most anything short of illegal (and that too if you can get away with it, especially if the Press is on your side).

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Why is it inexcusable if it is not only legal, but perfectly in line with treaty obligations?

As for levels of "politics," they are so broad and full of deception that it would be laughable to expect them to be excusable. "Politics," as we know it, and is practiced, is mostly spin, deceit, biased framing, slanting, most anything short of illegal (and that too if you can get away with it, especially if the Press is on your side).

No spine
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No spine
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Wellll . . . alrighty then . . . get some spine and tell us how Trump requesting something he has a treaty right and obligation to ask is not only "inexcusable" but also lacks "spine".