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10-10-2019, 11:26 AM
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Watch the Trump Ukraine scandal come back to roost
Mueller was investigating Cohen on the subject of Ukrainian money going to Trump coffers in early 2017, presumably with the aim of pushing Trump policy via impeachable bribery (with a middleman). Now Cohen is headed to NYC to talk to prosecutors. Want to bet it's Ukraine-related?
We'll soon learn that related to the above is deeply conflicted Trump lawyers Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing suddenly picking up Manafort partner Dmitry Firtash as a client. And Michael/Mark Mukasey, heads up—you should've followed conflict-of-interest guidelines, too.
The trajectory of the Trump-Ukraine scandal is like a heat-seeking missile that's travelled out many miles and is now slowly curving back—in a gloriously long arc—to move with supersonic speed toward the man behind this scandal, indeed all the scandals...
...Vladimir Putin.
Putin was paying Firtash funny money—money for no evident purpose—as Firtash was working to aid Manafort-protecting Ukrainian prosecutors and attack Joe Biden. And now Firtash shares a lawyer with...
...let me see here...
...oh, yeah: Trump.
Get ready for the next flash: The 5,000 ways the Salem Witches weren't guilty but Trump sure as #^&#^&#^&#^& is.
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
Lets Go Darwin
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10-11-2019, 07:55 AM
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After Trump Call, Ukraine's Zelenskiy Gambles On Russia Peace Push Without U.S. Help
Funny how that works
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10-11-2019, 11:53 AM
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Former Ukraine Amb. Yovanovitch says she was informed by a top State Dept. official that she was removed under a “concerted campaign against me … as best as I can tell, on unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives.”
Here is her opening statement
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
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10-11-2019, 02:10 PM
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
Lets Go Darwin
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10-12-2019, 12:46 PM
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Can't wait until they depose Pompeo, he has a lot of explaining to do.
Rudy is in deep #^&#^&#^&#^& also.
Follow the money.
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10-13-2019, 03:59 AM
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hey, did you hear that the anonymous whistleblower is getting death threats?   |
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10-13-2019, 06:56 AM
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Oops! Looks like someone isn't going to lie to save the cheeto emperor
President Trump's ambassador to the European Union (EU), Gordon Sondland, plans to tell Congress this week that a text he sent denying understanding of quid pro quo between Trump and Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky in a July phone call in July was dictated by Trump himself.
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10-13-2019, 11:31 AM
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The Soviet-born Lev Parnas, who says (WP) he met Trump "several" times before the 2016 election and came to "admire" him, began working with the Trump Org around 1987—the year Trump first went to the Soviet Union in a trip reports say the KGB set up.
Lev Parnas was born in 1965/1966, and says he returned to the Soviet Union after selling Trump Organization condos while Fred Trump was running the Trump Organization. The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991; that places Parnas's work for the Trumps somewhere between 1987 and 1990.
So the KGB develops an interest in Trump right as a Soviet-born man who brags about his connections to "Russian money" begins working with the Trump Organization selling condos... despite no apparent interest in real estate? And Parnas meets Trump "several times" pre-election?
Man, can you imagine how crazy it'd be if Parnas had ties to organized crime? ... for instance, by being "financed" by Soviet-born Dmytro Firtash, who has conceded his entire business empire is based on largesse from Putin friend and international gangster Semion Mogilevich?
Has Trump been a Russian asset since 1987? No. Has he been someone Russian intelligence and organized crime—linked entities—have believed since 1987 they could work with profitably to advance both Trump's interests and their own? Yes. Has it happened? Via intermediaries, yes.
We already have Trump lying about how well he knows Parnas. We have Giuliani lying about Parnas. We have Parnas wrapped up in various ties with Manafort, Firtash, Sater, Fred Trump...we've seen this pattern before. Lies surrounding myriad contacts with Soviet-born persons.
Yes, there was a damning phone call with Zelensky that was the culmination of many months of work by Parnas and Giuliani. But Parnas has been part of this story for over three decades.
Robert Perreira may have thought Parnas was meeting Trump for the first time when Parnas was at an exclusive fundraiser for Trump weeks before the 2016 election. We now know that's not true—indeed, that it's not even *close* to true—though Perreira couldn't have known it then.
It has been established that Putin was paying Firtash insane amounts of funny money; we now know Firtash was spending some of his money bankrolling Parnas. It's pretty clear now that Parnas isn't who we thought he was—and his mission wasn't small-time commercial scams.
The final "deliverable" to be taken from Parnas's work with Trump and Trump's legal team was that Russia would be absolved of attacking America in 2016, Trump would be free to end all sanctions on Russia, and Russia would be primed to attack America again.
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10-13-2019, 01:44 PM
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this is great..
Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) revealed in a new interview that House Democrats have discussed jailing allies of the president who do not comply with congressional subpoenas, an escalation of the House's efforts to force White House compliance with an impeachment inquiry.
Tlaib told Deadline Detroit that such an action, known as inherent contempt, would be "uncharted territory" for Congress but added that "serious discussions" about taking the step have occurred within the Democratic caucus.
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10-13-2019, 02:02 PM
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this is great..
Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) revealed in a new interview that House Democrats have discussed jailing allies of the president who do not comply with congressional subpoenas, an escalation of the House's efforts to force White House compliance with an impeachment inquiry.
Tlaib told Deadline Detroit that such an action, known as inherent contempt, would be "uncharted territory" for Congress but added that "serious discussions" about taking the step have occurred within the Democratic caucus.
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That is not uncharted territory. A Clinton era person was jailed for over a year for not cooperating in the whitewater investigation.
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10-13-2019, 02:09 PM
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That is not uncharted territory. A Clinton era person was jailed for over a year for not cooperating in the whitewater investigation.
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she refused to answer questions for a grand jury so it's very different than refusing to testify for the democrat nuts in congress and their kangaroo sham court but you should be smart enough to know that |
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10-13-2019, 02:14 PM
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she refused to answer questions for a grand jury so it's very different than refusing to testify for the democrat nuts in congress and their kangaroo sham court but you should be smart enough to know that
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Boy you have the Trump narrative down pat, Congress has the right to call these witnesses in for testimony, if this is a nothing burger as you claim, why refuse to cooperate? Love the right scramble to reach agreement on the narrative, but Scott you clearly are waiting for the right talking points.
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10-13-2019, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Boy you have the Trump narrative down pat, Congress has the right to call these witnesses in for testimony, if this is a nothing burger as you claim, why refuse to cooperate? Love the right scramble to reach agreement on the narrative, but Scott you clearly are waiting for the right talking points.
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yes...I knew the talking points to use before he even wrote that...I'm  amazing
he was completely wrong with his lightning quick talking points but don't let that figure in to your reasoning 
trump should make this as difficult as possible for the corrupt, deranged democrats....and it will be more fun that way too |
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10-13-2019, 02:54 PM
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There you go repeating the second great taking point, so funny to hear the MOST corrupt president and administration call the Democrats corrupt for congress doing its job.
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10-13-2019, 02:55 PM
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yes...I knew the talking points to use before he even wrote that...I'm amazing
he was completely wrong with his lightning quick talking points but don't let that figure in to your reasoning
trump should make this as difficult as possible for the corrupt, deranged democrats....and it will be more fun that way too |
Do you think there are no corrupt deranged republicans ?
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10-13-2019, 03:10 PM
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Do you think there are no corrupt deranged republicans ?
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maybe but they aren't bothering anyone |
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10-13-2019, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
There you go repeating the second great taking point, so funny to hear the MOST corrupt president and administration call the Democrats corrupt for congress doing its job.
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well, it was second on my list of talking points |
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10-13-2019, 03:58 PM
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maybe but they aren't bothering anyone
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Maybe??? Come on now. Think harder. Stop sniffing the restoration glue.
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10-13-2019, 04:49 PM
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Maybe??? Come on now. Think harder. Stop sniffing the restoration glue.
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Have you noticed both Scott, SD are getting really short and tense these days? |
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10-13-2019, 04:54 PM
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Probably that small motel6 room they are sharing, bringing new Trumplicans into the world is hard work.
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10-13-2019, 05:05 PM
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Have you noticed both Scott, SD are getting really short and tense these days?
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Actually, the troll job they are doing on you guys is epic, you guys are like a blitzing school of blues snapping at everything they are tossing at you. It's really quite amusing.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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10-13-2019, 05:20 PM
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Actually, the troll job they are doing on you guys is epic, you guys are like a blitzing school of blues snapping at everything they are tossing at you. It's really quite amusing.
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Just get a slick and they start biting for us. Wait til there is bait tossed in. Silly liberal fools!
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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10-13-2019, 05:20 PM
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Quote:
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Actually, the troll job they are doing on you guys is epic, you guys are like a blitzing school of blues snapping at everything they are tossing at you. It's really quite amusing.
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Just like her emails and benghazzziiiiii
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10-13-2019, 05:24 PM
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Just like her emails and benghazzziiiiii
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Find 1 post I made regarding that crap and I buy one of your bowls or bees. Promise
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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10-13-2019, 05:24 PM
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Maybe???
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Ok. You name one and then I’ll name one. It will be like words with friends
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10-13-2019, 05:25 PM
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Have you noticed both Scott, SD are getting really short and tense these days?
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Yes. Three beer tense
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10-13-2019, 05:29 PM
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Have you noticed both Scott, SD are getting really short and tense these days?
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Jeff,while your confidence has been restored would you care to wager ( a donation to the site) that Trump wins in 2020? Surely it is a worthy cause,please name the amount and we are on. Any other #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s want in and I will cover it. Or, just keep squawking.... ANY person wishing to have a “fun”bet can enter within 48 hours👍🏿
Perhaps that gives you some insight into my anxiety.
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10-13-2019, 05:29 PM
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Yes. Three beer tense
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I was going to include Jim but decided I didn't want to rattle him. |
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10-13-2019, 05:37 PM
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Jeff,while your confidence has been restored would you care to wager ( a donation to the site) that Trump wins in 2020? Surely it is a worthy cause,please name the amount and we are on. Any other #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s want in and I will cover it. Or, just keep squawking.... ANY person wishing to have a “fun”bet can enter within 48 hours👍🏿
Perhaps that gives you some insight into my anxiety.
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For this site I’m in pledging $100 that Trump loses in 2020, if he makes it that far.
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10-13-2019, 05:41 PM
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For this site I’m in pledging $100 that Trump loses in 2020, if he makes it that far.
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I'll do a hundred. |
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