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10-31-2019, 08:21 AM
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I think what he's said is the the call was "perfect"...in terms of getting the ball rolling exposing all of this democrat wrongdoing...it was!
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No.. his quote is this:
""I had a transcript done by very, very talented people -- word for word, comma for comma," said Trump at one point in that early October news conference. "Done by people that do it for a living. We had an exact transcript." Later, he added that the document was "an exact transcript of my call, done by very talented people that do this -- exact, word for word." |
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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10-31-2019, 08:33 AM
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You must be kidding, Trump doesn't lie, if he says it's word for word it's the truth.
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10-31-2019, 10:18 AM
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A few facts to keep handy in the face of intellectually dishonest GOP arguments today.
1. Impeachment of a President is not the process of undoing a previous election. It is the process whereby Congress indicts a President for wrongdoing while in office.
2. Though a quid pro quo is obvious, none is needed.
The drafters of the impeachment clause said so.
Madison was worried about the perfidy of a President, or deceit. He worried a President would wrongly work with a foreign power.
Edmund Randolph was concerned a President would seek to profit from the office, would seek emoluments from the presidency.
George Mason was concerned a President would undermine an investigation into himself, or might interfere with the work and duty of electors.
3. The whistleblower testimony is not needed.
Trump confessed to impeachable activity through release of the call notes.
Mulvaney corroborated it with his presser.
Bill Taylor confirmed it factually.
Lt. Col. Vindman contextualized it all as undermining US national security.
Eisenberg hid the transcript in an ultra secure server, showing consciousness of guilt, obstructing justice and abusing power.
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10-31-2019, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
A few facts to keep handy in the face of intellectually dishonest GOP arguments today.
1. Impeachment of a President is not the process of undoing a previous election. It is the process whereby Congress indicts a President for wrongdoing while in office.
2. Though a quid pro quo is obvious, none is needed.
The drafters of the impeachment clause said so.
Madison was worried about the perfidy of a President, or deceit. He worried a President would wrongly work with a foreign power.
Edmund Randolph was concerned a President would seek to profit from the office, would seek emoluments from the presidency.
George Mason was concerned a President would undermine an investigation into himself, or might interfere with the work and duty of electors.
3. The whistleblower testimony is not needed.
Trump confessed to impeachable activity through release of the call notes.
Mulvaney corroborated it with his presser.
Bill Taylor confirmed it factually.
Lt. Col. Vindman contextualized it all as undermining US national security.
Eisenberg hid the transcript in an ultra secure server, showing consciousness of guilt, obstructing justice and abusing power.
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And clinton got a blow job and lied under oath. This outraged Republicans
Yet Trumps behavior the use of executive privilege the refusal of congressional subpoenas by his people . The list is endless..
Why doesn't it bother his supporter that Trump wont go under oath.
Simple.. party of country .. the next evolution in Trumps party..
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10-31-2019, 11:17 AM
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Clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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10-31-2019, 11:33 AM
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Jackie Spier
Devin Nunes calling the Intelligence Committee’s fact-finding mission a cult is despicable. I know about cults. Cults are led by maniacal narcissists who expect complete adoration and relinquishment of independent thought. I suggest Mr. Nunes look elsewhere.
10:21 AM · Oct 31, 2019·Twitter for iPhone
In 1978, Speier was shot five times as a congressional staffer trying to save people from the cult at Jonestown. She survived after being left for dead on airstrip for 22 hours. Speier almost never talks about the experience, so this is a real rebuke of Nunes.
Perhaps you can think of another maniacal narcissist
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10-31-2019, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Jackie Spier
Devin Nunes calling the Intelligence Committee’s fact-finding mission a cult is despicable. I know about cults. Cults are led by maniacal narcissists who expect complete adoration and relinquishment of independent thought. I suggest Mr. Nunes look elsewhere.
10:21 AM · Oct 31, 2019·Twitter for iPhone
In 1978, Speier was shot five times as a congressional staffer trying to save people from the cult at Jonestown. She survived after being left for dead on airstrip for 22 hours. Speier almost never talks about the experience, so this is a real rebuke of Nunes.
Perhaps you can think of another maniacal narcissist
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you act like a cult member |
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10-31-2019, 11:51 AM
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Trump Campaign Holds ‘Witch Hunt’ Halloween Party in Pennsylvania
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10-31-2019, 12:14 PM
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Trump cared about corruption in Ukraine like Bonnie & Clyde cared about the FDIC - as a source of financial opportunity. His jailed funders were working with his attorney to replace the directors of the state gas company with themselves.
Trump didn’t see Ukraine as the one country he would push to become less corrupt. Instead, he saw it as a weak, dependent country he could leverage for his own self-interest, political and financial.
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
Lets Go Darwin
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10-31-2019, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
A few facts to keep handy in the face of intellectually dishonest GOP arguments today.
1. Impeachment of a President is not the process of undoing a previous election. It is the process whereby Congress indicts a President for wrongdoing while in office.
2. Though a quid pro quo is obvious, none is needed.
The drafters of the impeachment clause said so.
Madison was worried about the perfidy of a President, or deceit. He worried a President would wrongly work with a foreign power.
Edmund Randolph was concerned a President would seek to profit from the office, would seek emoluments from the presidency.
George Mason was concerned a President would undermine an investigation into himself, or might interfere with the work and duty of electors.
3. The whistleblower testimony is not needed.
Trump confessed to impeachable activity through release of the call notes.
Mulvaney corroborated it with his presser.
Bill Taylor confirmed it factually.
Lt. Col. Vindman contextualized it all as undermining US national security.
Eisenberg hid the transcript in an ultra secure server, showing consciousness of guilt, obstructing justice and abusing power.
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Save all that and print it out and wave it at the TV on January 20th, 2021 as you watch Trump's second inauguration. |
You can’t truly call yourself “peaceful” unless you are capable of great violence.
If you are incapable of violence, you are not peaceful, you are just harmless.
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10-31-2019, 12:25 PM
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it will be fun watching trump get 4 more years and many democrats getting prison time for seditious and criminal behavior
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10-31-2019, 02:32 PM
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10-31-2019, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
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oh snap
But other parts of Morrison’s opening statement did seem to bolster the idea that Trump was applying a pressure campaign on the Ukrainians through a non-official channel. Morrison noted that his predecessor, former national security official Fiona Hill, had told him that Sondland and the president’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani "were trying to get President Zelensky to reopen a Ukrainian investigation into Burisma.” Morrison went on to say that “At the time, I did not know what Burisma was or what the investigation entailed.”
“I did not understand why Ambassador Sondland would be involved in Ukraine policy,” he added. |
Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
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10-31-2019, 03:34 PM
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so?
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11-01-2019, 07:30 AM
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Asking for quid pro quo is illegal. Collision is illegal
Hiring a hitman illegal
Yelling fire in a theater illegal
No of these crimes require completion to be found guilty of a crime
Unless your a Republican the laws meaning and intent magically change.
To it was not completed so there can be no quid pro quo..
Yet if your name is Biden your guilty of corruption with no evidence no due process . All in attempt to deflect Trumps behavior a destroy any one who stands against him to include a decorated veteran Who just confirmed what we already know.
Republicans demanding there left out of the proceedings. when they are in the room , claim its unfair as it follows past hearings .. Just shows their willingness to lie present alternative facts so as not to upset the Dear leader and his worshipers
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11-01-2019, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Yet if your name is Biden your guilty of corruption with no evidence
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11-01-2019, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
a decorated veteran Who just confirmed what we already know.
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that info was disputed yesterday....try to keep up |
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11-01-2019, 07:54 AM
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#78
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Unless your a Republican the laws meaning and intent magically change.
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there were actually a couple of dems that voted yesterday that would disagree with you |
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11-01-2019, 07:58 AM
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Collision is illegal
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if this is true, lots of democrats, media members and deep state hacks should/will be parading to prison  |
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11-01-2019, 07:59 AM
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Does that mean if the Dems can get a witness to say “the President committed impeachable offenses” then Trump is out because that’s basically your argument at this point. Try and keep up
The call is about 1% of the issue. Don’t lose sight of that, the Trumplicans will want you to. It’s ALL the pressure — by Rudy, Sondland, etc. for months and months. It’s Mulvaney. It’s the withholding of the $. It’s the firing of the Ambassador. It’s all of it. It’s all part of the quid pro quo aka conspiracy.
And: the issue IS NOT whether Ukraine felt “pressured” (although clearly they did). A politician can be guilty of attempted bribery by trying to bribe an undercover FBI agent who of course could never feel actually pressured. The intent that matters of the BRIBER not the BRIBEE.
And: Start to focus on the fact that Mitch McConnell kept asking the White House why the aid to Ukraine was being withheld and Mitch McConnell said that the White House would not tell him. Ummmmm ... if it was being withheld for a legit reason ... um ... why wouldn't they tell him?
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
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11-01-2019, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Does that mean if the Dems can get a witness to say “the President committed impeachable offenses” then Trump is out because that’s basically your argument at this point. Try and keep up
The call is about 1% of the issue. Don’t lose sight of that, the Trumplicans will want you to. It’s ALL the pressure — by Rudy, Sondland, etc. for months and months. It’s Mulvaney. It’s the withholding of the $. It’s the firing of the Ambassador. It’s all of it. It’s all part of the quid pro quo.
And: the issue IS NOT whether Ukraine felt “pressured” (although clearly they did). A politician can be guilty of attempted bribery by trying to bribe an undercover FBI agent who of course could never feel actually pressured. The intent that matters of the BRIBER not the BRIBEE.
And: Start to focus on the fact that Mitch McConnell kept asking the White House why the aid to Ukraine was being withheld and Mitch McConnell said that the White House would not tell him. Ummmmm ... if it was being withheld for a legit reason ... um ... why wouldn't they tell him?
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11-01-2019, 08:16 AM
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hang in there |
Mitch McConnell kept asking the White House why the aid to Ukraine was being withheld and Mitch McConnell said that the White House would not tell him. Ummmmm ... if it was being withheld for a legit reason ... um ... why wouldn't they tell him?  |
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11-01-2019, 08:49 AM
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Nothing burger
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11-01-2019, 08:51 AM
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My judgment is that those House Republicans open to voting for impeachment simply decided to stick with the party yesterday, and to save their dissent for the real vote. No point telegraphing the jail break to the prison guards ahead of time.
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11-01-2019, 09:16 AM
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Good for you PeteF, but as we have seen demonstrated in the past you have terrible judgement. Next...
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11-01-2019, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Asking for quid pro quo is illegal.
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Says who? That doesn't happen in politics every single day? Votes are paid for by favors every single day. |
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11-01-2019, 10:04 AM
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Trump administration who argued that current and former senior White House aides have "absolute immunity" from being questioned by House impeachment investigators.
can you say dictator
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11-01-2019, 10:14 AM
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Says who? That doesn't happen in politics every single day? Votes are paid for by favors every single day.
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guess you never heard of the casting couch
A POTUS asking a foreign leader to provide dirt on an opponent Via his personal lawyer (non elected or appointed ) or you wont get your Aid sure that happens every day in US politics
PS everyone on the planet says its a crime unless your a Trump supporter... then its no big deal  |
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11-01-2019, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
if this is true, lots of democrats, media members and deep state hacks should/will be parading to prison |
but as always you lack supporting evidence for your conclusion |
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11-01-2019, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
guess you never heard of the casting couch
A POTUS asking a foreign leader to provide dirt on an opponent Via his personal lawyer (non elected or appointed ) or you wont get your Aid sure that happens every day in US politics
PS everyone on the planet says its a crime unless your a Trump supporter... then its no big deal |
OK, casting couch is illegal.
But it's not illegal in politics, for one politician to tell anther, "I'll vote for your bill if you vote for my bill." That's also a quid pro quo, happens every single day. |
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