House to vote on impeachment

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

biden was the point person on ukraine, and voila, his son gets a very lucrative gig for which he had no experience. Hunters hedge fund also received a ton of money from other foreign sources ( mitt romney’s kid too). you already know this, you just don’t care because you are sympathetic to biden.
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So another words you have nothing to show any corruption.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So another words you have nothing to show any corruption.

https://canadafreepress.com/article/...mps-phone-call

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So another words you have nothing to show any corruption.

is nepotism, or getting your son a gig he isn't qualifies for, corruption?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

is nepotism, or getting your son several gigs he isn't qualifies for, corruption?
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I heard biden-the-younger's bank account records are surfacing showing some tremendous dough raking thanks to daddy and the foreign interests biden-the-senile was in charge of

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

I heard biden-the-younger's bank account records are surfacing showing some tremendous dough raking thanks to daddy and the foreign interests biden-the-senile was in charge of

Let's see Trumps and Kushners

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

is nepotism, or getting your son a gig he isn't qualifies for, corruption?
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Just how did you decide what Hunter Biden is qualified to do? Is your CV any better or that of any of the Trumps?
If you are worried about him being unqualified, you ought to look at Stephen Miller's CV

Here's his CV prior to Burisma and yes, who you know, where you went to school does count. Trump will always be a bridge and tunnel boy and he will never get over it.

In 1992, he graduated from Georgetown University with a bachelor's degree in history. During the year after he graduated from college, he served as a Jesuit volunteer at a church in Portland, Oregon, where he met and eventually married Kathleen Buhle. After attending Georgetown University Law Center for one year, he transferred to Yale Law School, graduating in 1996.
After graduating from law school, Biden took a position at MBNA America, a major bank holding company which was also a major contributor to his father's political campaigns.
By 1998, he had risen to the rank of executive vice president. From 1998 to 2001, he served in the United States Department of Commerce, focusing on ecommerce policy.
Biden became a lobbyist in 2001, co-founding the firm of Oldaker, Biden & Belair.
In 2006, Biden and his uncle, James Biden, attempted to buy Paradigm, a hedge-fund group, but the deal fell apart before completion. That same year he was appointed by President George W. Bush to a five year term on the board of directors of Amtrak. He was chosen as the board's vice chairman, and served from July 2006 until resigning at the end of January 2009.
After his father was elected as vice president in 2008, Biden resigned from his position on the Amtrak board of directors and left his career as a lobbyist. Along with Christopher Heinz, stepson of John Kerry, and Devon Archer, Biden founded the investment firm Rosemont Seneca.
He also became an attorney with the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, and founded Eudora Global, a venture capital firm.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just how did you decide what Hunter Biden is qualified to do? Is your CV any better or that of any of the Trumps?
If you are worried about him being unqualified, you ought to look at Stephen Miller's CV

Here's his CV prior to Burisma and yes, who you know, where you went to school does count. Trump will always be a bridge and tunnel boy and he will never get over it.

In 1992, he graduated from Georgetown University with a bachelor's degree in history. During the year after he graduated from college, he served as a Jesuit volunteer at a church in Portland, Oregon, where he met and eventually married Kathleen Buhle. After attending Georgetown University Law Center for one year, he transferred to Yale Law School, graduating in 1996.
After graduating from law school, Biden took a position at MBNA America, a major bank holding company which was also a major contributor to his father's political campaigns.
By 1998, he had risen to the rank of executive vice president. From 1998 to 2001, he served in the United States Department of Commerce, focusing on ecommerce policy.
Biden became a lobbyist in 2001, co-founding the firm of Oldaker, Biden & Belair.
In 2006, Biden and his uncle, James Biden, attempted to buy Paradigm, a hedge-fund group, but the deal fell apart before completion. That same year he was appointed by President George W. Bush to a five year term on the board of directors of Amtrak. He was chosen as the board's vice chairman, and served from July 2006 until resigning at the end of January 2009.
After his father was elected as vice president in 2008, Biden resigned from his position on the Amtrak board of directors and left his career as a lobbyist. Along with Christopher Heinz, stepson of John Kerry, and Devon Archer, Biden founded the investment firm Rosemont Seneca.
He also became an attorney with the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, and founded Eudora Global, a venture capital firm.

read the link that detbuch provided...them get back to us...
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

read the link that detbuch provided...them get back to us...
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I'm assuming and not hunting for it but that it is an article by John Solomon about Shokin, Burisma and Biden.

You would think that the Trumplicans would want to call Shokin as a witness, I wonder why not?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

read the link that detbuch provided...them get back to us...
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Yovanovitch says John Solomon's columns were used to push false allegations
BY OLIVIA BEAVERS - 11/15/19 01:58 PM EST 930
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Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch testified Friday that a shadow campaign led by Rudy Giuliani and his associates appeared to be behind what she said were false attacks against her that led to her ouster.

She singled out columns in The Hill written by former conservative opinion contributor John Solomon, which the staff counsel to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) highlighted during the committee's second public impeachment hearing.

In response to questions from staff counsel Daniel Goldman, Yovanovich said the origin of the attacks against her was a series of opinion articles in The Hill authored by Solomon. She also said the allegations came in part from Yuri Lutsenko, the former prosecutor general of Ukraine.


"This effort by Giuliani and his associates resulted in a series of articles in The Hill publication that were based on allegations in part from Lutsenko," she said.

Goldman in his questioning highlighted three categories of attacks against Yovanovitch.

"One category included the attacks against you, which you referenced in your opening statement including that you had bad-mouthed the president and had given the prosecutor general a do-not-prosecute list," Goldman said. "There was another that included allegations of Ukrainian interference in a 2016 election and then there was a third that related to allegations concerning Burisma and the Bidens, is that accurate?"

"Yes," Yovanovitch answered, adding that they "seemed to be promoted by those around Mayor Giuliani."

"These attacks were being repeated by the president himself and his son," she added, which she said made her "worried."

Such allegations also received pickup on Fox News, she noted.

Yovanovitch said it was false that she had bad-mouthed the president and handed Lutsenko a do-not-prosecute list, a charge initially included in a column by Solomon in The Hill after an interview with Lutsenko.
Yovanovitch and the State Department have pushed back on that claim, saying it is false there was such a list.


Ukrainian media quoted Lutsenko as changing his story, though in an interview with The New York Times last month, Lutsenko blamed the confusion on an interpreter for his interview with Solomon and said Yovanovitch had asked him to target certain politicians and activists who worked with the embassy on its anti-corruption efforts.

Yovanovitch has maintained on Wednesday that she did not speak negatively about the president, which was a point that led some to press for her removal.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Yovanovitch says John Solomon's columns were used to push false allegations
BY OLIVIA BEAVERS - 11/15/19 01:58 PM EST 930
12


Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch testified Friday that a shadow campaign led by Rudy Giuliani and his associates appeared to be behind what she said were false attacks against her that led to her ouster.

She singled out columns in The Hill written by former conservative opinion contributor John Solomon, which the staff counsel to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) highlighted during the committee's second public impeachment hearing.

In response to questions from staff counsel Daniel Goldman, Yovanovich said the origin of the attacks against her was a series of opinion articles in The Hill authored by Solomon. She also said the allegations came in part from Yuri Lutsenko, the former prosecutor general of Ukraine.


"This effort by Giuliani and his associates resulted in a series of articles in The Hill publication that were based on allegations in part from Lutsenko," she said.

Goldman in his questioning highlighted three categories of attacks against Yovanovitch.

"One category included the attacks against you, which you referenced in your opening statement including that you had bad-mouthed the president and had given the prosecutor general a do-not-prosecute list," Goldman said. "There was another that included allegations of Ukrainian interference in a 2016 election and then there was a third that related to allegations concerning Burisma and the Bidens, is that accurate?"

"Yes," Yovanovitch answered, adding that they "seemed to be promoted by those around Mayor Giuliani."

"These attacks were being repeated by the president himself and his son," she added, which she said made her "worried."

Such allegations also received pickup on Fox News, she noted.

Yovanovitch said it was false that she had bad-mouthed the president and handed Lutsenko a do-not-prosecute list, a charge initially included in a column by Solomon in The Hill after an interview with Lutsenko.
Yovanovitch and the State Department have pushed back on that claim, saying it is false there was such a list.


Ukrainian media quoted Lutsenko as changing his story, though in an interview with The New York Times last month, Lutsenko blamed the confusion on an interpreter for his interview with Solomon and said Yovanovitch had asked him to target certain politicians and activists who worked with the embassy on its anti-corruption efforts.

Yovanovitch has maintained on Wednesday that she did not speak negatively about the president, which was a point that led some to press for her removal.

The link I posted, and about which you supposedly responded to here, has nothing to do with your entire post.

First, PaulS requested a link re Hunter Biden and his pop re corruption. Paul is big on links. Apparently, links are necessary in order to be able to think properly. So I provided a link.

Second, it had nothing to do with Yovanovich or Lutsenko.

You quite often do this trick of sliding from what is said into something else, something you want to say, and a slide that implies there is a linkage, an actual response, when there is neither.

And it is a convenient way of avoiding that to which you ostensibly are responding.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

is nepotism, or getting your son a gig he isn't qualifies for, corruption?
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did he get his son a gig?

No doubt the son benefited from having daddy as Sen. but it is not illegal.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

did he get his son a gig?

No doubt the son benefited from having daddy as Sen. but it is not illegal.

his son got the gig, coincidentally according to you, while
dad was the point person on the executive branch’s ukrainian
agenda.

i agree not illegal. what did trump
do that was illegal? quid pro quo is illegal? how many times a day does one politician say to another, “vote for my bill, and i’ll vote for yours.”

as confident as you all are that there’s nothing there, the left sure doesn’t want the truth revealed. how about we do an honest investigation and release the results?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

his son got the gig, coincidentally according to you, while
dad was the point person on the executive branch’s ukrainian
agenda.

i agree not illegal. what did trump
do that was illegal? quid pro quo is illegal? how many times a day does one politician say to another, “vote for my bill, and i’ll vote for yours.”

as confident as you all are that there’s nothing there, the left sure doesn’t want the truth revealed. BC we are honest enough to admit it is bc Trump wants his political rivals investigated to tarnish their names. how about we do an honest investigation and release the results?
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When there is no smoke there is no need to investigate if there is a fire.

Trump's own words gives us reason to look into his asking a foreign gov. to investigate a political rival while at the same time holding up foreign aid.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

When there is no smoke there is no need to investigate if there is a fire.

Trump's own words gives us reason to look into his asking a foreign gov. to investigate a political rival while at the same time holding up foreign aid.

i see. it’s a virtue, specifically honesty, to deny that there was anything fishy going on.

you’re all also dismissing the Durham investigation even though not a word of it had been released. Which virtue does that indicate?

i’m not stupid enough to presume that Trump was simply seeking the truth when asking for the investigation. obviously there was a political component. but i have no problem with my president seeking the truth regarding what the bidens did, as i have no problem seeking the truth about credible accusations against trump.

funny, you constantly deny any wrongdoing in the part of democrats. That’s a coincidence, right? Not political?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Trump's own words gives us reason to look into his asking a foreign gov. to investigate a political rival while at the same time holding up foreign aid.

not just a political rival. a political
rival who engaged in behavior that many people would claim is fishy.

Paul, are you saying the potus can only inquire about the actions of people in his own party? no president can ever be trusted to inquire about anything being done by anyone in the opposing party?

The senate dems sent a letter to ukraine, asking them
to investigate Manafort and trump. But that was OK for them
to ask for dirt on a political rival.

Seems like you’re really afraid of what an investigation might conclude.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

asking a foreign gov. to investigate a political rival

.

this is dumb.. biden isn't a political rival...he's a bump on a log...he's NEVER won the nomination and he's been running since the early 70's

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

is nepotism, or getting your son a gig he isn't qualifies for, corruption?
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Relay thats your arugument... whos kids are in the white house whos kid book was promoted on Tweeter by his fathers Twitter account againts the rules

I know dems bad. Republicans good.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I know dems bad. Republicans good.
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Wrong, pal. 100% wrong. I agree with Dems on some big issues - gay marriage (I was for it LONG before it was fashionable for liberals, I was for it when Hilary and Obama were adamantly opposed to it), death penalty, expanding healthcare coverage to pre existing conditions, and to some degree, gun control.

Please tell me, on what major policies, you agree with conservatives? Let's see who can think for themselves, and who is a partisan zombie, shall we?