first hand witnesses deny quid pro quo, bribery, extortion

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"We now know that the president in fact committed the crime of bribery...

" —Ken Starr

what you very conveniently left from this quote, is that Starr was speculating what Schiff was thinking. How deceptive is that? One needn’t resort to that dishonesty, when one has the facts on their side.

Starr also said it was “shocking” that Saldmans opening statement didn’t include the fact that he heard Trump say he didn’t want a quod pro Quo.

cherry picking and slight of hand. it’s all you got.
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[scottw]

pretty sure pete just committed a crime

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what you very conveniently left from this quote, is that Starr was speculating what Schiff was thinking. How deceptive is that? One needn’t resort to that dishonesty, when one has the facts on their side.

Starr also said it was “shocking” that Saldmans opening statement didn’t include the fact that he heard Trump say he didn’t want a quod pro Quo.

cherry picking and slight of hand. it’s all you got.
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Cherrypicking and slight of hand is all Nunes, Castor, Jordan and Ratcliffe did today.
You’re just easily led
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Cherrypicking and slight of hand is all Nunes, Castor, Jordan and Ratcliffe did today.
You’re just easily led
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you lied blatantly about what Starr said. true or false?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you lied blatantly about what Starr said. true or false?
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Poor boy
Both direct and circumstantial evidence can be given equal weight in a court of law.
If you get up in the morning and there’s snow on the ground is that evidence that it snowed?
Is it fake news?
Do you think Sondland is stupid and can’t figure out what is wanted, who wants it and why they want it?
Apparently some people are
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Poor boy
Both direct and circumstantial evidence can be given equal weight in a court of law.
If you get up in the morning and there’s snow on the ground is that evidence that it snowed?
Is it fake news?
Do you think Sondland is stupid and can’t figure out what is wanted, who wants it and why they want it?
Apparently some people are
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any chance you can answer the question? were you dishonest about starr’s comment, or
not?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

any chance you can answer the question? were you dishonest about starr’s comment, or
not?
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pete, i’ll give you this...if i had to bet, i’d bet that trump
ordered the quid pro quo. but i can’t come close to proving it, nor do i think it’s a high crime or
misdemeanor for a
president to use any leverage at his disposal, to get a foreign
power to get to the truth about what americans, even democrats, are doing abroad.

but we need to be willing to present facts honestly, let americans
decide, and live with the decision. the gop got absolutely annihilated in 2008. The RNC didn’t resort to
anarchy, they formed the tea party which appealed
to huge numbers of voters, and which catapulted them
to a huge comeback until
2018. The DNC is responding to
Trump by nominating the most unpopular candidates imaginable.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete, i’ll give you this...if i had to bet, i’d bet that trump
ordered the quid pro quo. but i can’t come close to proving it, nor do i think it’s a high crime or
misdemeanor for a
president to use any leverage at his disposal, to get a foreign
power to get to the truth about what americans, even democrats, are doing abroad.

but we need to be willing to present facts honestly, let americans
decide, and live with the decision. the gop got absolutely annihilated in 2008. The RNC didn’t resort to
anarchy, they formed the tea party which appealed
to huge numbers of voters, and which catapulted them
to a huge comeback until
2018. The DNC is responding to
Trump by nominating the most unpopular candidates imaginable.
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It will move to the center always does
This is worth reading
I’ve been saying this for years
https://morningconsult.com/opinions/...trump-dilemma/
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