Why the Senate SHOULD vote to convict

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Again, you employ your slippery sliding technique of shifting from what was said into saying something else that suits you or your narrative or your shadowy amorphous yet somehow in your mind concrete opinion. I didn't say that I assume York's is correct. Nor did I actually assume so. I said that I prefer it. I don't assume much of any conclusion that is being made about what the actual truth is. I simply don't know. I go by the notion that without proof of criminality, innocence is presumed.

Those that make conjectures don't or can't actually know. Except for, in your mind, you.

Per usual, lot's of verbiage, nothing said.

In your world on what cause could someone be indicted?

Could they just shoot someone, say a Norwegian, on Fifth Avenue and walk away as innocent with no chance of indictment, as long as no one saw them shoot the gun?

Doesn't require more than a yes or no answer.......or does it

Just as a reminder about innocent people, what I was taught as a child, your associates define you.

The president’s personal lawyer and campaign manager are currently in prison. His National Security Advisor pleaded guilty to federal crimes. His longtime political adviser was recently convicted. His current lawyer is under federal investigation.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Per usual, lot's of verbiage, nothing said.

In your world on what cause could someone be indicted?

Could they just shoot someone, say a Norwegian, on Fifth Avenue and walk away as innocent with no chance of indictment, as long as no one saw them shoot the gun?

Doesn't require more than a yes or no answer.......or does it

Actally, my verbiage correctly pointed out how you mischaracterized what I said, and it pointed out that I don't have any assumptions about what is the "truth" re any the various narratives re Trump's intentions in withholding the money.

I do understand, however, that you would consider that "nothing." If it were something, it would show how slimy you tend to get. Or, as PaulS might say, how scummy.

As for your questions, someone could be indicted for various causes. It is said that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich. I don't know why you slid the discussion, if we can call it that, into my opinion of what can cause an indictment.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just as a reminder about innocent people, what I was taught as a child, your associates define you.

The president’s personal lawyer and campaign manager are currently in prison. His National Security Advisor pleaded guilty to federal crimes. His longtime political adviser was recently convicted. His current lawyer is under federal investigation.

I'm guessing that most of the people Trump is associated with are not in prison or guilty of federal crimes. I have no idea how that would fit into what you were taught as a child.

Dang, I have associated with some people who wound up doing bad things and even some who went to prison. Some were not the paragons of virtue even when I associated with them. I guess that makes me not innocent--makes me a guilty miscreant unfit for government employment. Somehow, I don't see it that way. For some reason, I feel that I am at least as fit as you to be considered reputable and a contributor to society.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I'm guessing that most of the people Trump is associated with are not in prison or guilty of federal crimes. I have no idea how that would fit into what you were taught as a child.

Dang, I have associated with some people who wound up doing bad things and even some who went to prison. Some were not the paragons of virtue even when I associated with them. I guess that makes me not innocent--makes me a guilty miscreant unfit for government employment. Somehow, I don't see it that way. For some reason, I feel that I am at least as fit as you to be considered reputable and a contributor to society.

Totally understandable given your support for Floridaman

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Totally understandable given your support for Floridaman

And there it is folks. All those who support Trump are guilty. We are not honorable. We are not truthful. We are ignorant if not actually stupid. We are not worthy of respect, nor consideration as co-equal citizens in the continuing experiment of this great country. We don't match up to the elevated virtues of people like PeteF.

Your superior upbringing taught you to practice guilt by association. It apparently also taught you to convict by conjecture. It must have also taught you that to assume is to know.

Good God, what a reprobate Christ must have been! He associated with some of the worst lowlifes of his time and community. I have a gut feeling that he would have seen a more kindred spirit in Trump than in Pelosi or Sanders or most any Progressive.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

And there it is folks. All those who support Trump are guilty. We are not honorable. We are not truthful. We are ignorant if not actually stupid. We are not worthy of respect, nor consideration as co-equal citizens in the continuing experiment of this great country. We don't match up to the elevated virtues of people like PeteF.

Your superior upbringing taught you to practice guilt by association. It apparently also taught you to convict by conjecture. It must have also taught you that to assume is to know.

Good God, what a reprobate Christ must have been! He associated with some of the worst lowlifes of his time and community. I have a gut feeling that he would have seen a more kindred spirit in Trump than in Pelosi or Sanders or most any Progressive.

Right, There are only two kinds of people. Those who never stop attacking Trump, and those who are as sleazy as he is. There is no middle ground - none.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Right, There are only two kinds of people. Those who never stop attacking Trump, and those who are as sleazy as he is. There is no middle ground - none.

So you are as sleazy as he is?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

So you are as sleazy as he is?
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Your ilk here, constantly refer to me as a Trumplican, and as someone who never criticizes him, and never would. It doesn't matter to them, that the accusation is demonstrably false. What matters, is that it supports The Narrative. That's all that matters. Its nothing more than simple-minded partisan BS. That helped him get elected by the way.

I can't think of anything your side could be doing to help him get re-elected, that they're not doing. Nothing. And you don't see it. You have Obama for Gods sake, who not long ago was the most liberal person in Congress, worried that the party is going too far to the left. And no one listens.

Carry on!

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

So you are as sleazy as he is?
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dont forget racist and all the other ists.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

And there it is folks. All those who support Trump are guilty. We are not honorable. We are not truthful. We are ignorant if not actually stupid. We are not worthy of respect, nor consideration as co-equal citizens in the continuing experiment of this great country. We don't match up to the elevated virtues of people like PeteF.

Your superior upbringing taught you to practice guilt by association. It apparently also taught you to convict by conjecture. It must have also taught you that to assume is to know.

Good God, what a reprobate Christ must have been! He associated with some of the worst lowlifes of his time and community. I have a gut feeling that he would have seen a more kindred spirit in Trump than in Pelosi or Sanders or most any Progressive.

Again, you employ your slippery sliding technique of shifting from what was said into saying something else that suits you or your narrative or your shadowy amorphous yet somehow in your mind concrete opinion.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Again, you employ your slippery sliding technique of shifting from what was said into saying something else that suits you or your narrative or your shadowy amorphous yet somehow in your mind concrete opinion.

So what were you understanding when you said "Totally understandable given your support for Floridaman"?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So what were you understanding when you said "Totally understandable given your support for Floridaman"?

That you would claim to be a victim
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