Oh Donnie, You're invited

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

This is hilarious statment from you...

SO if someones mind was made up beforehand

And all the information presented re enforces this . You find that odd

But having your mind made up that nothing happened.. then your given the same info . And dismiss it as hear say .. just tells everyone you need to understand evidence.. you dont need a gun to convict someone of murder.. seems for you. a gun is required with out it no ones guilty
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there was no direct evidence of anything.

tell us again how the economy hasn’t done anything, and how trump plays no role in getting federal judges put in place.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there was no direct evidence of anything.

tell us again how the economy hasn’t done anything, and how trump plays no role in getting federal judges put in place.
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All of that doesn't preclude him acting inappropriately on this issue.

"I need a favor, though"

You can argue it is impeachable or not, but pretty clearly he withheld aid to try and get an investigation into the Biden's to benefit him politically, and only released the aid when he heard about the whistleblower report.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

All of that doesn't preclude him acting inappropriately on this issue.

"I need a favor, though"

You can argue it is impeachable or not, but pretty clearly he withheld aid to try and get an investigation into the Biden's to benefit him politically, and only released the aid when he heard about the whistleblower report.
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so a president can’t do
anything that will benefit him politically. So if Trump can ink a favorable trade deal with China which helps our economy, he can’t do it if it helps him politically?

Biden was sure bragging about using quid pro quo to get what he wanted, I bet he thought that helped him politically.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so a president can’t do
anything that will benefit him politically. So if Trump can ink a favorable trade deal with China which helps our economy, he can’t do it if it helps him politically?

Biden was sure bragging about using quid pro quo to get what he wanted, I bet he thought that helped him politically.
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Not when it is counter to US foreign policy, no.

What Biden did was not the same Jim, no matter how many times you say it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Not when it is counter to US foreign policy, no.

What Biden did was not the same Jim, no matter how many times you say it.
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while i can argue that there’s a good reason for all of us to want to know the truth about what the bidens were doing in ukraine, i’m not going to try to say that trump had only noble intentions there. obviously he had political motives. But there’s a decent chance Biden had personal motives with his quid pro quo, too.

I’m not going to say trumps
motives were the same as bidens. but they both used a quid pro quo to get what they wanted, and both cases seem fishy to me. Are they sufficiently different that one is impeachable and one isn’t even questionable? Not to me. But that’s opinion, judgment. We can disagree.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Not when it is counter to US foreign policy, no.


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the president sets foreign policy

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

the president sets foreign policy

It's not the point

The whistleblower complaint said

In the course of my official duties, I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.

Trump’s ask of Zelensky was so grave that both the CIA general counsel, Courtney Simmons Elwood, and the general counsel at the National Security Council, John Eisenberg, decided the accusations had a “reasonable basis” and together called the Justice Department on Aug. 14 to discuss how to handle them. Elwood reportedly intended this call to be a criminal referral about the president’s conduct. Later in August, the Acting Director of National Intelligence and Inspector General for the Intelligence Community referred the allegations to the Justice Department as a possible criminal matter. This means that upon learning of Trump’s ask alone (forget everything else we’ve learned), multiple senior government lawyers, all appointed by Trump, were worried the president had committed a crime.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It's not the point

The whistleblower complaint said

.

not a whistle blower....partisan hack

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there was no direct evidence of anything.

tell us again how the economy hasn’t done anything, and how trump plays no role in getting federal judges put in place.
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your beyond blind I get it all these people just misunderstood what Trump wanted