Intelligence Committee report out

[Pete F.]

Colludy says: Schiffs impeachment is a FARCE because

The conversation about corruption in Ukraine was based on compelling evidence of criminal conduct by then VP Biden, in 2016, that has not been resolved and until it is will be a major obstacle...to the US assisting Ukraine with its anti-corruption reforms.
The American people will learn that Biden & other Obama administration officials, contributed to the increased level of corruption in Ukraine between 2014 to 2016.
This evidence will all be released very soon.

What Colludy just admitted was that they were asking for dirt on Biden. Colludy is currently in Ukraine desperately trying to manufacture evidence along with some Ukrainian kid who claims he will be the next ambassador to the USA.
Ukraine says WTF?
Maybe Russia will release the tapes of Colludy, Floridaman, Nunes and Parnas soon.
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[Sea Dangles]

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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Colludy says: Schiffs impeachment is a FARCE because

The conversation about corruption in Ukraine was based on compelling evidence of criminal conduct by then VP Biden, in 2016, that has not been resolved and until it is will be a major obstacle...to the US assisting Ukraine with its anti-corruption reforms.
The American people will learn that Biden & other Obama administration officials, contributed to the increased level of corruption in Ukraine between 2014 to 2016.
This evidence will all be released very soon.

What Colludy just admitted was that they were asking for dirt on Biden. Colludy is currently in Ukraine desperately trying to manufacture evidence along with some Ukrainian kid who claims he will be the next ambassador to the USA.
Ukraine says WTF?
Maybe Russia will release the tapes of Colludy, Floridaman, Nunes and Parnas soon.
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So much for detbuch argument about little biden not running for office . When trump just said VP Biden

I am sure. Seeing he detbuch and the rest of the biden bandwagon here . Seeing they don't mind Trump accusing an American private citizen of wrong doing outside normal legal proceedings
But poor kavanaugh ...

Its clear there are no crimes or misdemeanors that could ever be applied to Trump .. unless he went after guns maybe
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[Sea Dangles]

Abstract
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[Pete F.]

If there is "compelling evidence of criminal conduct by then VP Biden, in 2016," the infrastructure exists to have it thoroughly and impartially investigated.

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-docu.../document-text

[wdmso]

Nate Silver
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@NateSilver538
· Nov 26, 2019
Finally getting a few more impeachment polls and the notion that the numbers are moving against Democrats isn't looking so hot. +4 spread on supporting impeachment/removal, which is similar to the peak in October.https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/ …

80 % of Americans could want him gone republicans would still sell out to the base , evidence be damned

[Sea Dangles]

I am hoping for justice so Wayne,PeteF and GS can go back to normal and Spence can go back to #^&#^&#^&#^&s.
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[Pete F.]

If you think the Trumplicans are "fighting corruption" better look at their allies in the fight.

Andrii Telizhenko and Rudy Giuliani are in Kyiv, Ukraine. At midnight, they are across the street from the Premier Palace Hotel, owned by close Putin ally, Russian oligarch Alexander Babakov. Hotel known as den for Kremlin agents & Babakov is alleged Russian intel himself. https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...utin-ally.html
Investigations also show that Babakov used a proxy to interfere in 2017 French elections, securing a 9.4-million-euro loan for French National Front, the far-right, Kremlin-friendly political party in France headed by Marine Le Pen. That same proxy owns (on paper) this hotel.
Babakov, widely seen as one of Putin's henchmen responsible for hybrid war against Ukraine, has been able to evade sanctions here. He appears to have significant business holdings, including a big portion of the country's electricity supply. This is what Ukraine is up against.

Also in Babakov-owned Premier Palace hotel tonight in Kyiv, Ukraine, Rudy Giuliani met controversial lawmaker Aleksandr Dubinsky, who is loyal to former employer, Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky... facing London court trial over alleged $5.5bn PrivatBank fraud.

If you’re already not clear that they are pushing all their chips onto the table, then you might need to be. Whatever metaphor works for you, but if there was something being held back, it’s time to stop.

It’s unlikely Barr is going to become a hero.

From the start, before the details emerged, it’s been pretty much suspect they were playing a zero sum game.
Now it’s crystal clear that it’s an all or nothing for them - for all of them.
Dangerous times.

More in the local newspaper

https://www.kyivpost.com/

[scottw]

maybe they aren't all insane....


(CNN)Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey, one of two Democrats to vote against formalizing the impeachment inquiry, said he plans to vote against all the articles of impeachment "unless there's something that I haven't seen, haven't heard before."

He warned Democrats to "be careful what you wish for" and he added that impeachment "is tearing the nation apart. ... And I want to bring people together."

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

maybe they aren't all insane....


(CNN)Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey, one of two Democrats to vote against formalizing the impeachment inquiry, said he plans to vote against all the articles of impeachment "unless there's something that I haven't seen, haven't heard before."

He warned Democrats to "be careful what you wish for" and he added that impeachment "is tearing the nation apart. ... And I want to bring people together."

Again finding a needle in the haystack presenting it as conclusively evidence Trump didnt do anything wrong

What a shock Van Drew, whose district voted for Trump in 2016...

Its all about him keeping his job.. its a gamble
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[Sea Dangles]

There is no conclusive evidence being presented.
But let me guess...you believe her or them.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Yeah Rudy having multiple calls to the budget department, nothing inappropriate about that right guys?

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OOPS..

https://www.wsj.com/articles/doubts-...ls-11575588060

[PaulS]

More than 500 legal scholars have signed on to an open letter asserting that President Trump committed “impeachable conduct” and that lawmakers would be acting well within their rights if they ultimately voted to remove him from office.

The signers are law professors and other academics from universities across the country, including Harvard, Yale, Columbia, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of Michigan and many others. The open letter was published online Friday by the nonprofit advocacy group Protect Democracy.


“There is overwhelming evidence that President Trump betrayed his oath of office by seeking to use presidential power to pressure a foreign government to help him distort an American election, for his personal and political benefit, at the direct expense of national security interests as determined by Congress,” the group of professors wrote. “His conduct is precisely the type of threat to our democracy that the Founders feared when they included the remedy of impeachment in the Constitution.”

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) announced Thursday that the House of Representatives would begin drafting articles of impeachment against Trump, a day after the House Judiciary Committee heard testimony from four constitutional scholars on the matter. Three law professors who were called for that hearing by Democrats argued that Trump’s behavior was impeachable, while one invited by Republicans argued that the process was moving too quickly.

Those who signed on to the Protect Democracy letter said they “take no position on whether the President committed a crime.” Earlier this year, Protect Democracy gathered signatures for a similar letter, in which hundreds of former federal prosecutors signed on to a statement asserting that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s findings would have produced obstruction charges against Trump — if he were not a sitting president.

“But conduct need not be criminal to be impeachable,” the group of professors wrote. “Impeachment is a remedy for grave abuses of the public trust.”

The group noted in particular that Trump’s conduct seemed to be directed at affecting the results of the 2020 election, and thus it was not a matter that could be left to voters at the polls.

The impeachment inquiry has focused on what Democratic lawmakers say were Trump’s efforts to pressure his Ukrainian counterpart to announce an investigation into a potential 2020 rival, former vice president Joe Biden, in exchange for a White House meeting and the release of hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid. Trump has rejected Democrats’ allegation that he engaged in any sort of corrupt quid pro quo.

“Put simply, if a President cheats in his effort at re-election, trusting the democratic process to serve as a check through that election is no remedy at all,” the professors wrote. “That is what impeachment is for.”

Because Democrats control the House, Trump will almost surely be impeached. The matter would move then to the Senate for a trial to see if he should be removed from office. There, it seems unlikely that Trump would be ousted. The Senate is GOP-controlled, and two-thirds of senators would have to vote against the president.

[scottw]

yawn

[Sea Dangles]

They are just jealous
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[scottw]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...ff7_story.html


this is a great article...the hearings and all the dutiful impeachment media coverage isn't changing any minds...

what can the media do to change these minds????