What it wasn’t a witch hunt

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Horowitz remains resolute that the conspiracy theories are groundless. He does not, however, deliver a clean bill of health to the FBI either in the FISA process or, we now learn, in leaking anti-Clinton information.

he went a lot further than not delivering a clean bull of health for the FISA applications. He said no one who touched FISA was vindicated, and that they uncovered “serious problems” with how the FBI suspended Pages civil rights.

Only a select few, motivated by a desire to deny any facts that paint the left in any negative light, could
read that and say Horowitz fell
short of delivering a clean bill of health.

Falling short of the ideal is one thing. Multiple serious problems is something different.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he went a lot further than not delivering a clean bull of health for the FISA applications. He said no one who touched FISA was vindicated, and that they uncovered “serious problems” with how the FBI suspended Pages civil rights.

Only a select few, motivated by a desire to deny any facts that paint the left in any negative light, could
read that and say Horowitz fell
short of delivering a clean bill of health.

Falling short of the ideal is one thing. Multiple serious problems is something different.
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There is no conspiracy that he found, or any indication of one.
What was done affected both campaigns to some extent and the Clinton campaign prior to the election, thru Comey's statements and the NY office leaks, that both damaged Clinton's election opportunity.

But Floridaman needs to be able to remove Russian sanctions in order to pay his debt for the last election and make his down payment for this one.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There is no conspiracy that he found, or any indication of one.
What was done affected both campaigns to some extent and the Clinton campaign prior to the election, thru Comey's statements and the NY office leaks, that both damaged Clinton's election opportunity.

But Floridaman needs to be able to remove Russian sanctions in order to pay his debt for the last election and make his down payment for this one.

he found zero evidence of a
politically motivated conspiracy. He did find a large number of serious and basic errors in the FBIs attempt to spy on the Trump campaign. Maybe it was politically motivated, maybe the FBI always made serious and fundamental
mistakes, neither you nor i know which is the case. What we do know, is that according to Horowitz, serious and fundamental
mistakes were made when asking to suspend the civil
rights of an american citizen.

Does that concern you?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What was done affected both campaigns to some extent and the Clinton campaign prior to the election, thru Comey's statements and the NY office leaks, that both damaged Clinton's election opportunity.

Was there a warrant of some sort concocted to investigate the Clinton campaign? Was there an investigation into the Clinton campaign's ties to Russia started by some illegal counter-intelligent effort based on the connection with the foreign Steele dossier which depended on Russian sources?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Was there an investigation into the Clinton campaign's ties to Russia started by some illegal counter-intelligent effort based on the connection with the foreign Steele dossier which depended on Russian sources?

Did the IG report say there was "illegal counter-intelligence"?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Did the IG report say there was "illegal counter-intelligence"?

In questioning by Graham, Horowitz let slip that phrase.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Was there a warrant of some sort concocted to investigate the Clinton campaign? Was there an investigation into the Clinton campaign's ties to Russia started by some illegal counter-intelligent effort based on the connection with the foreign Steele dossier which depended on Russian sources?

What investigation before the election did the Obama administration and the FBI keep secret and which one was both leaked and spoken of in public?

Who won the 2016 election?

Who's still running against their 2016 opponent in every campaign rally?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What investigation before the election did the Obama administration and the FBI keep secret and which one was both leaked and spoken of in public?

Who won the 2016 election?

Who's still running against their 2016 opponent in every campaign rally?

You tried to insert the notion that HRC was equally hurt by what the IG found. That is not true. Nor was there any attempt to investigate her even though there was, in the eyes of "many people" abundant reason to do so.

Fact is, the IG report, in terms of its scope and capability, was very damning of what was done in order to investigate the Trump campaign. Even though you try to minimize it. As Barr correctly said, the flimsiest of evidence was used, and continued to be used long after the FBI knew that the surveillance of Carter Page and the Steele dossier were bogus.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he went a lot further than not delivering a clean bull of health for the FISA applications. He said no one who touched FISA was vindicated, and that they uncovered “serious problems” with how the FBI suspended Pages civil rights.

Only a select few, motivated by a desire to deny any facts that paint the left in any negative light, could
read that and say Horowitz fell
short of delivering a clean bill of health.

Falling short of the ideal is one thing. Multiple serious problems is something different.
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Noise, yes I’m happy problems were found and hopefully they will be addressed. The race in 2016 and the current impeachment is about a candidate and now current president welcoming, encouraging and even attempting to use military aid as a bargaining chip in helping him in our elections. Ignore the noise the issue is foreign interference in our elections.
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