Iran

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I think Floridaman is an incompetent conman"

No sh*t.

"who has systematically dismantled a large tranche of support, both within his government and from other nations"

Please provide some evidence, any evidence, that the world supports us less now, than they did in 2016. Mexico is, for the first time in a long time, putting troops on its southern border to stem the tide of illegals from Central America. Mexico did that for Trump, not for Obama, not for Bush. Trump pulled that off.

We recently signed a new trade agreement with Canada & Mexico that was well received. Canada & Mexico didn't refuse to come to the table because of Trump.

Huge numbers of the world's poor and desperate still want to come here. The Hong Kong protesters were waving the American flag for God's sake. So where is the evidence that our standing on the international stage, has taken a meaningful hit, because Trump is a jerk? You can shriek it as many times as you want. That doesn't make it so. The evidence doesn't support your claim.

"Now Jim will as always jump to his defense"

Everyone here knows that is a crock, a pathetic, desperate attempt by you to make me appear to be a thoughtless, braindead defender of Trump. I'm nothing close to that. He is truly a morally bankrupt egomaniac. That doesn't mean he's not a good executive.

You like to claim, correctly, that Obama inherited an economic mess. And he responded well. Similarly, Trump has inherited the godawful mess in the middle east, at a time when China and Russia are really on the rise (which advanced significantly under Obama's watch, not that I'm sure he could have stopped it). Let's see what Trump does. I have no problem with the original airstrike, nor do I have a problem with how quickly he sent Marines to defend the embassy. While I won't mourn the passing of the Iranian leader we killed, I'm not saying we should have done it. I don't know yet. But right now, our country is better off that this guy is dead.

I wish Mattis was still there.

Obama managed to box in and economically strangle both Russia and Iran without ever firing a shot.

Trump has singlehandedly undone all of that; resuscitated their influence; and endangered American interests in return for absolutely nothing.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Obama managed to box in and economically strangle both Russia and Iran without ever firing a shot.

Trump has singlehandedly undone all of that; resuscitated their influence; and endangered American interests in return for absolutely nothing.

"Obama managed to box in and economically strangle both Russia and Iran without ever firing a shot."

I don't know what planet you happen to live on, but here on Earth, Obama sent Iran a jillion dollars in cash in the middle of the night. That's your idea of "economic starvation"? Is there any lie you won't tell to show that liberal=good, conservative=bad?

I gave Obama good marks on the economy and killing terrorists. He was a complete flop at reigning in adversarial heads of state. As you claim that Trumps bullying will make the world hate us, you and Obama feel that apologizing to and appeasing the bullies would make them like us more. That's not a theoretical speculation anymore, Obama did it for 8 years, and we know how it played out, the empirical evidence is right there. It didn't work well.

You are now at the point, where you literally aren't even worth reading or responding to.

Obama starved Iran economically. That's a good one.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Obama managed to box in and economically strangle both Russia and Iran without ever firing a shot."

I don't know what planet you happen to live on, but here on Earth, Obama sent Iran a jillion dollars in cash in the middle of the night. That's your idea of "economic starvation"? Is there any lie you won't tell to show that liberal=good, conservative=bad?

I gave Obama good marks on the economy and killing terrorists. He was a complete flop at reigning in adversarial heads of state. As you claim that Trumps bullying will make the world hate us, you and Obama feel that apologizing to and appeasing the bullies would make them like us more. That's not a theoretical speculation anymore, Obama did it for 8 years, and we know how it played out, the empirical evidence is right there. It didn't work well.

You are now at the point, where you literally aren't even worth reading or responding to.

Obama starved Iran economically. That's a good one.

Obama returned THEIR money as part of a bilateral agreement that Floridaman has broken without the agreement of our allies. He did not give them our money.
The current rise in oil prices will help Russia tremendously and Putin is ecstatic to see what is happening in the ME in the last year with Floridamans incompetence.
Don't worry Floridaman might just kill NATO with this horrorshow, nobody really wants to have to be on his side.
Maybe he should just send Rudy to round up some help.