Trump* on blame

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Non sequitur. The total scope of government is a different concern than the amount of power within constitutionally allowed government.

China, for instance, under CCP rule has unlimited scope of government power. China does not suffer from less government. It's government is in total control of the entire society. Does China, with more government, "look like," as you put it, what you would want today.

Typical response jumping right to communism..

How would less government improve what we are seeing

Not saying more government is the right answer.

But for Trump to suggest the federal government is just a back up in this situation

He wants to be a leader only when winning. When things go south no so much


That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

Trump is unable to do such a thing it's not his nature

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Typical response jumping right to communism..

I didn't jump to communism. I pointed out that more government does not equate to better solutions.

How would less government improve what we are seeing

The amount of government is not the answer.

Not saying more government is the right answer.

I don't know what you're saying here.

But for Trump to suggest the federal government is just a back up in this situation

He has done more than "just" back up. But back up is a big portion of what the federal government is supposed to do in cases of pandemic. See post 6 in the Welcome to seat of the pants government thread.


He wants to be a leader only when winning. When things go south no so much

Yeah, right.

That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

Trump is unable to do such a thing it's not his nature

Good to know that we have such expert insights as yours on this forum. But I do prefer, personally, that the President's personal interests don't get in the way of executing the duties as prescribed in Article II.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

"Modly said Crozier had cc’ed more than 20 people, including some outside the chain of command, over unsecured and unclassified systems, assuring the memo’s leak.

He also said Crozier did not speak to his direct superior, carrier strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, about his concerns before sending the memo, despite Baker being on the carrier and living within feet of Crozier.

Modly said Crozier was not fired for expressing concerns, but the way he chose to do so.

The chain of command doesn’t exist merely to keep order. It also exists to keep information from the public. Crozier commanded one of only ten Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers in the Navy. These ships are considered the backbone of America’s naval fighting force.

By going public with his complaints, Crozier essentially sent a giant banner up into the sky announcing to America’s enemies that one of the primary weapons in America’s arsenal might be out of commission. You can see, therefore, why the Navy took a very dim view of Crozier bypassing the chain of command to announce that he had a problem."

[wdmso]

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Originally Posted by wdmso

That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

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"Modly said Crozier had cc’ed more than 20 people, including some outside the chain of command, over unsecured and unclassified systems, assuring the memo’s leak.

He also said Crozier did not speak to his direct superior, carrier strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, about his concerns before sending the memo, despite Baker being on the carrier and living within feet of Crozier.

Modly said Crozier was not fired for expressing concerns, but the way he chose to do so.

The chain of command doesn’t exist merely to keep order. It also exists to keep information from the public. Crozier commanded one of only ten Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers in the Navy. These ships are considered the backbone of America’s naval fighting force.

By going public with his complaints, Crozier essentially sent a giant banner up into the sky announcing to America’s enemies that one of the primary weapons in America’s arsenal might be out of commission. You can see, therefore, why the Navy took a very dim view of Crozier bypassing the chain of command to announce that he had a problem."

Like i said.put his men before himself..

I am sure he spoke to his chain of command. And was told to lay down so he went over their heads ..

And his cc to people so it would be leaked..

Please with the giveing info to the. Enemy is bs every family member knew what was going on, and where the ship was .

The Navy's playing damage control
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=scottw;1190056]

Originally Posted by wdmso

That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

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"Modly said Crozier had cc’ed more than 20 people, including some outside the chain of command, over unsecured and unclassified systems, assuring the memo’s leak.

He also said Crozier did not speak to his direct superior, carrier strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, about his concerns before sending the memo, despite Baker being on the carrier and living within feet of Crozier.

Modly said Crozier was not fired for expressing concerns, but the way he chose to do so.

The chain of command doesn’t exist merely to keep order. It also exists to keep information from the public. Crozier commanded one of only ten Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers in the Navy. These ships are considered the backbone of America’s naval fighting force.

By going public with his complaints, Crozier essentially sent a giant banner up into the sky announcing to America’s enemies that one of the primary weapons in America’s arsenal might be out of commission. You can see, therefore, why the Navy took a very dim view of Crozier bypassing the chain of command to announce that he had a problem."

Like i said.put his men before himself..

I am sure he spoke to his chain of command. And was told to lay down so he went over their heads ..

And his cc to people so it would be leaked.. please who leaked it if you know who got copies

giveing info to the. Enemy is bs every family member knew what was going on, and where the ship was .

The Navy's playing damage control
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[scottw]

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Originally Posted by scottw

I am sure he spoke to


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you don't know anything....

[wdmso]

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Originally Posted by wdmso

you don't know anything....

I know enough that the captain in command of one the most powerful weapon in the US Military

Wouldn't have made these actions as his 1st choice . To address his concerns .

Unless all other choices were allready dead ends...

Why else whould he throw his future in the Navy down the Drain?
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Originally Posted by wdmso

I know enough that the captain in command of one the most powerful weapon in the US Military

Wouldn't have made these actions as his 1st choice . To address his concerns .

Unless all other choices were allready dead ends...

Why else whould he throw his future in the Navy down the Drain?
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This is a reasonable assumption.
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[redlite]

2 words. Movie deal


If there is anyone left alive to go see it ......