TRUMP NEWS AT IT AGAIN

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

they knew January 20th..." It is clear that at least some human to human transmission exists from the evidence we have, but we don’t have clear evidence that shows the virus has the capacity to transmit among humans easily,” said Takeshi Kasai, the World Health Organization’s regional director for the Western Pacific"

Follow along here...

If the WHO said on January 20th that there was no evidence that it transmitted easily from human to human, then on what basis are you libs shrieking that Trump should have done much more.

You can't have it both ways.

If Trump instituted a lockdown on January, you all would have gone berserk that he was going against the WHO.

You say his Chinese travel restrictions went too far, but at the same time say he didn't do nearly enough. Yet you also say the WHO wasn't negligent in January when they said it wasn't easily transmitted from human to human. So according to you, the WHO had no reason to say it transmitted easily from human to human in late January, yet at the same time you say Trump didn't do enough in January. Which is it? He was supposed to know better than the WHO? About what was happening in Wuhan?

Additionally, Libs don't like Trump saying he has "total control" over forcing states to do what he wants, yet you only blame him and not the governors, who you say have that control. So you say Trump can't tell states what to do, but at the same time all this is Trumps fault, not the fault of the governors who you say are the only ones with authority to do anything. Again, which is it? You can't have both.

There is zero logic there. The only consistency, naturally, is that every syllable is an attack on Trump. You cannot do anything else.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You can't have it both ways.

they always want it both ways...they are bi-factual

[Pete F.]

Some people just plain lie

It only works one way, not both ways and there is no way to gaslight it unless you ignore the facts.
Perhaps you think that the WHO should react every time someone sneezes.
They provided reliable information when they had it, that's their mission.
It's not perfect, few organizations are but if you think it should improve and you are a major funder you should at least send a representative to the executive board.
Consider where we would be in past pandemics if they did not exist.

This administration denied and ignored the proferred advice, did not start the pandemic plan which would have prepared the Strategic National Stockpile, notified the Governors, prepared the medical community, etc. and it's incompetence magnified the effect of Covid-19 in the USA.

All the documents are public and the video of Trump* denying and downplaying it are in the public domain.

Don't ignore the fact that the US has a very good handle on movements on the ground all over the world and large scale reductions in traffic are easily identifiable thru satellite imagery.

31 Dec 2019

China reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.

1 January 2020

WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.

4 January 2020

WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province.

5 January 2020

WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.

10 January 2020

WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.

Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers.

12 January 2020

China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19.

13 January 2020

Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.

14 January 2020

WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.

20-21 January 2020

WHO experts from its China and Western Pacific regional offices conducted a brief field visit to Wuhan.

22 January 2020

WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

22- 23 January 2020

The WHO Director- General convened an Emergency Committee (EC) under the International Health Regulations (IHR 2005) to assess whether the outbreak constituted a public health emergency of international concern. The independent members from around the world could not reach a consensus based on the evidence available at the time. They asked to be reconvened within 10 days after receiving more information.

28 January 2020

A senior WHO delegation led by the Director-General travelled to Beijing to meet China’s leadership, learn more about China’s response, and to offer any technical assistance.

While in Beijing, Dr. Tedros agreed with Chinese government leaders that an international team of leading scientists would travel to China on a mission to better understand the context, the overall response, and exchange information and experience.

30 January 2020

The WHO Director-General reconvened the Emergency Committee (EC). This was earlier than the 10-day period and only two days after the first reports of limited human-to-human transmission were reported outside China. This time, the EC reached consensus and advised the Director-General that the outbreak constituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The Director-General accepted the recommendation and declared the novel coronavirus outbreak (2019-nCoV) a PHEIC. This is the 6th time WHO has declared a PHEIC since the International Health Regulations (IHR) came into force in 2005.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If the WHO said on January 20th that there was no evidence that it transmitted easily from human to human, then on what basis are you libs shrieking that Trump should have done much more.

But they didn't say that.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

But they didn't say that.

wdmso just posted that they said that. it’s in his post.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

But they didn't say that.

From WDSMO's post...

"they knew January 20th It is clear that at least some human to human transmission exists from the evidence we have, but we don’t have clear evidence that shows the virus has the capacity to transmit among humans easily,” said Takeshi Kasai, the World Health Organization’s regional director for the Western Pacific"

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

From WDSMO's post...

"they knew January 20th It is clear that at least some human to human transmission exists from the evidence we have, but we don’t have clear evidence that shows the virus has the capacity to transmit among humans easily,” said Takeshi Kasai, the World Health Organization’s regional director for the Western Pacific"

That's not what you said.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

But they didn't say that.

This gets really, really old...

I said that the WHO claimed on January 20th, that t wasn't spread easily from human to human. I re-posted a quote from WDMSO, where the WHO said there was no evidence of easy transmission from human to human.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

This gets really, really old...

I said that the WHO claimed on January 20th, that t wasn't spread easily from human to human. I re-posted a quote from WDMSO, where the WHO said there was no evidence of easy transmission from human to human.

You’re playing around with your adjectives. Be consistent with the WHO’s actual statements. There is typically scientific process behind them.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You’re playing around with your adjectives. Be consistent with the WHO’s actual statements. There is typically scientific process behind them.
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Based on whet WDMSO posted, there's no way of knowing if science was behind what they said. What's clear, is that they said there was no reason to believe that it spread easily from human to human.

But Trump was supposed to know better and order a lockdown, even though (1) your side said the travel restrictions were going too far, and (2) the WHO said it wasn't spread easily from human to human, and (3) your side is saying he lacks authority to order states to do anything.

So I'll ask you the obvious question...which is it? Back then, in January, what should he have done? And who was telling him to do so? Not his experts, not the WHO, not the media, sure as hell not Bill Diblasio or Nancy Pelosi who were saying until late February that it was safe to go out in crowded public places.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Follow along here...

If the WHO said on January 20th that there was no evidence that it transmitted easily from human to human, then on what basis are you libs shrieking that Trump should have done much more.

You can't have it both ways.

If Trump instituted a lockdown on January, you all would have gone berserk that he was going against the WHO.

You say his Chinese travel restrictions went too far, but at the same time say he didn't do nearly enough. Yet you also say the WHO wasn't negligent in January when they said it wasn't easily transmitted from human to human. So according to you, the WHO had no reason to say it transmitted easily from human to human in late January, yet at the same time you say Trump didn't do enough in January. Which is it? He was supposed to know better than the WHO? About what was happening in Wuhan?

Additionally, Libs don't like Trump saying he has "total control" over forcing states to do what he wants, yet you only blame him and not the governors, who you say have that control. So you say Trump can't tell states what to do, but at the same time all this is Trumps fault, not the fault of the governors who you say are the only ones with authority to do anything. Again, which is it? You can't have both.

There is zero logic there. The only consistency, naturally, is that every syllable is an attack on Trump. You cannot do anything else.

Clearly you want it both ways blame china and the WHO. For what Trump failed to do.. its that obvious..

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