States

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

to help with the pandemic, hell yes. to help fund stupid state spending? hell no. ( who have suggest stupid state funding besides you and republicans )

People in states like SC and TN made tough choices to live within their means. People in CT and Mass spent like lunatics to buy votes and to reward union masters. ( love to see your examples on this one )

Why in god’s name should
anyone in SC or TN be forced to pay for stupid decisions made at the state level in CT or Mass? ( again see New York sent $116 billion more to Washington in tax revenue than it gets back.)

Kentucky, meanwhile, gets $148 billion more than it puts in.Wayne, if i freely chose to live beyond my means and rack up debt, are you responsible to bail me out? ( seems you have no issues bailing out farmers airlines small business with your logic they shouldn't be getting any money

Unbelievable that liberals are whining about this. Poorly run states ( mostly, but not entirely liberal) are responsible for their decisions. leave everyone else the hell alone.
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Jim seeing your towing the party line please point how these are poorly run states and present some well run states as examples

the only one jumping on pensions are Republicans PS how many republicans do you think are cops firefighters teachers who are paying into these funds .. or Americans for that matter

And what Governor has ask for Money to address that issue ??

if the big government losses tax money because the states are losing tax money both by no fault of their own.... lose revenue.. but one can print money and 1 can not

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim seeing your towing the party line please point how these are poorly run states and present some well run states as examples

the only one jumping on pensions are Republicans PS how many republicans do you think are cops firefighters teachers who are paying into these funds .. or Americans for that matter

And what Governor has ask for Money to address that issue ??

if the big government losses tax money because the states are losing tax money both by no fault of their own.... lose revenue.. but one can print money and 1 can not

"who have suggest stupid state funding besides you and republicans"

The IL state legislature asked for tens of billions for pension funding. So, there's that. see my link below. So kindly stop saying the GOP made this up. It started with democrats.

"love to see your examples on this one "

Here in CT, our unfunded debt (dominated by union perks) is over $100 billion. That's over $30,000 for every person in the state. When some of the highest taxes in the nation, applied to some of the highest incomes in the nation, are 100B short of funding the spending, I conclude the spending was stupid.

Can you tell me what other options there are? Is it possible to get that amount of debt with responsible spending?

Of course we have all the usual union benefits, insane pensions and healthcare that dwarf what's available in the private sector. The math just doesn't work.

"you have no issues bailing out farmers airlines small business "

I'll try to go very slowly here. We chose to #^&#^&#^&#^& down the airlines and small businesses. They didn't cause this or deserve it. The country cannot exist without farmers, airlines, or small businesses. In contrast, there is zero evidence that we cannot exist, without fat union pensions. If the entire private sector survives with 401ks, I will never understand why unions absolutely have to have pensions. Can you explain that to me? I'd love to hear it.

The state of CT does not suffer from an unreasonably low amount of tax revenue. Our biggest problem should be finding banks that can handle our surplus. Instead, we are crushed under impossible debt. We did this to ourselves, I can't fathom why someone in SC is responsible.

"Jim seeing your towing the party line "

I'm not guided by party on this whatsoever. I'm guided by elementary school aritthmetic, and the common sense fact that everyone else has 401ks and market-priced healthcare, and we survive just fine.

"point how these are poorly run states'

I already did. CT is a wealthy state with high tax rates (meaning tons of money goes to the legislature), plus we get hundreds of millions from the casinos annually in a good year. Yet we have debt equal to more than $30k per citizen. That doesn't suggest to you, that it's a poorly run state? Where did all that money go?

"the only one jumping on pensions are Republicans "

As I said, the democrats who run the state of IL asked for pension bailouts. Read my link. This is what set McConnell off.

"how many republicans do you think are cops firefighters teachers who are paying into these funds"

Not sure why that matters, but you asked so I'll answer...not many. The problem, is they don't pay anywhere near enough into those funds, and the public is expected to make up the difference. Why? I have to fund my own retirement, I can't pass the hat to the union as far as I know. So why does the union get to reach into my wallet? Why is the financial security of unionized democrats, so much more essential, than everyone else's financial security? A married couple who both teach in CT, can easily have a combined income north of $160,000. That's more than a lot of people in the private sector. They can fund their own retirement without preventing me from funding my own.

Anyway, since you denied the truth here, here's the story of the shameless IL senate democrat who used the virus as an excuse to ask the feds to bail out their pensions, to the tune of $40 billion. Trump should have gone on TV and told the guy to go f--- himself.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicag...ailout-request

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"who have suggest stupid state funding besides you and republicans"

The IL state legislature asked for tens of billions for pension funding. So, there's that. see my link below. So kindly stop saying the GOP made this up. It started with democrats.

"love to see your examples on this one "

Here in CT, our unfunded debt (dominated by union perks) is over $100 billion. That's over $30,000 for every person in the state. When some of the highest taxes in the nation, applied to some of the highest incomes in the nation, are 100B short of funding the spending, I conclude the spending was stupid.

Can you tell me what other options there are? Is it possible to get that amount of debt with responsible spending?

Of course we have all the usual union benefits, insane pensions and healthcare that dwarf what's available in the private sector. The math just doesn't work.

"you have no issues bailing out farmers airlines small business "

I'll try to go very slowly here. We chose to #^&#^&#^&#^& down the airlines and small businesses. They didn't cause this or deserve it. The country cannot exist without farmers, airlines, or small businesses. In contrast, there is zero evidence that we cannot exist, without fat union pensions. If the entire private sector survives with 401ks, I will never understand why unions absolutely have to have pensions. Can you explain that to me? I'd love to hear it.

The state of CT does not suffer from an unreasonably low amount of tax revenue. Our biggest problem should be finding banks that can handle our surplus. Instead, we are crushed under impossible debt. We did this to ourselves, I can't fathom why someone in SC is responsible.

"Jim seeing your towing the party line "

I'm not guided by party on this whatsoever. I'm guided by elementary school aritthmetic, and the common sense fact that everyone else has 401ks and market-priced healthcare, and we survive just fine.

"point how these are poorly run states'

I already did. CT is a wealthy state with high tax rates (meaning tons of money goes to the legislature), plus we get hundreds of millions from the casinos annually in a good year. Yet we have debt equal to more than $30k per citizen. That doesn't suggest to you, that it's a poorly run state? Where did all that money go?

"the only one jumping on pensions are Republicans "

As I said, the democrats who run the state of IL asked for pension bailouts. Read my link. This is what set McConnell off.

"how many republicans do you think are cops firefighters teachers who are paying into these funds"

Not sure why that matters, but you asked so I'll answer...not many. The problem, is they don't pay anywhere near enough into those funds, and the public is expected to make up the difference. Why? I have to fund my own retirement, I can't pass the hat to the union as far as I know. So why does the union get to reach into my wallet? Why is the financial security of unionized democrats, so much more essential, than everyone else's financial security? A married couple who both teach in CT, can easily have a combined income north of $160,000. That's more than a lot of people in the private sector. They can fund their own retirement without preventing me from funding my own.

Anyway, since you denied the truth here, here's the story of the shameless IL senate democrat who used the virus as an excuse to ask the feds to bail out their pensions, to the tune of $40 billion. Trump should have gone on TV and told the guy to go f--- himself.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicag...ailout-request

again you love your needle in the haystack story is just that 1 guy asking for something hell never get ... and them apply it across the board to all states looking for help .. read your own story he didnt ask for 40 billion for just pensions he asked for 19.6 billion for that reason... you cant even be honest with citing what people asked for .

Illinois Senate President Don Harmon to the Illinois Congressional Delegation, requesting $41.6 billion plus, for various purposes including $10 billion for state pensions and $9.6 billion in aid to municipalities, for their pension funding.


And one guy asking doesn't mean he'll get it... nor do I think it should be funded by the feds . but this is the rights rally CRY and to even for turtle boy to inject we'll its a blue state , shows how ufit he is to serve in congress seeing his own governor is Democrat

so farmers and airlines shouldn't have money in the bank after millions in in Profit in the bank ?
2018 27.3
2017 37.6
2016 34.2
2015 36 these numbers are in billions and are profits

Farm profitability, at $88 billion for 2019, up $4 billion from 2018 and up $10 billion from 2017
The improvement in net farm income is primarily driven by an increase in federal support,


let me guess you have no issues with Mcconnell Trying to push through Tort reform rather than a clean bill

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

again you love your needle in the haystack story is just that 1 guy asking for something hell never get ... and them apply it across the board to all states looking for help .. read your own story he didnt ask for 40 billion for just pensions he asked for 19.6 billion for that reason... you cant even be honest with citing what people asked for .

Illinois Senate President Don Harmon to the Illinois Congressional Delegation, requesting $41.6 billion plus, for various purposes including $10 billion for state pensions and $9.6 billion in aid to municipalities, for their pension funding.


And one guy asking doesn't mean he'll get it... nor do I think it should be funded by the feds . but this is the rights rally CRY and to even for turtle boy to inject we'll its a blue state , shows how ufit he is to serve in congress seeing his own governor is Democrat

so farmers and airlines shouldn't have money in the bank after millions in in Profit in the bank ?
2018 27.3
2017 37.6
2016 34.2
2015 36 these numbers are in billions and are profits

Farm profitability, at $88 billion for 2019, up $4 billion from 2018 and up $10 billion from 2017
The improvement in net farm income is primarily driven by an increase in federal support,


let me guess you have no issues with Mcconnell Trying to push through Tort reform rather than a clean bill

You said the GOP made up the notion that poorly run states wanted pension bailouts. You said only the GOP was talking about pensions. I proved you were irrefutably wrong. But you can't admit it.

"one guy asking doesn't mean he'll get it'

You're right, he's not going to get it with the GOP controlling the senate. Nor should he.

Sorry, it was $20B, not 40.

"we'll its a blue state "

Most of them are blue states. I don't need to hide from that fact. You do.

"you have no issues with Mcconnell Trying to push through Tort reform"

We desperately, desperately, desperately need tort reform, and that is applicable to the virus, as there will be class action suits everywhere. Every large nursing home and hospital in the country will be the subject of nuisance lawsuits. Avoiding nuisance lawsuits is a big reason why hospitals don't have more ventilators (ventilation is an extreme, invasive procedure that is a magnet for lawsuits). I know about this, as my department provides professional liability insurance to hospitals, and we always try to avoid insuring hospitals that have a lot of ventilators. Lawyers make it an impossible service to be able to provide to patients who need it. That needs to be fixed.