So the local friendly Antifa...

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What could be done about police violence, real or imagined?
First of all we could track what is happening, we don't.
Police Departments are being accused of violating citizens Constitutional rights.

Well, sunshine, we DO track that. We do, in fact, track race in car stops, arrests, and other situations and reports are generated automatically at the local level for and by requirements of individual states. I am familiar with RI's and know other states have it as well. This system has been implemented for more than a few years. I cannot go into more detail than that.

Originally Posted by spence

They didn't put up a wall, they just moved some barricades to block cars after a white nationalist drove into the crowd and shot a protester. I think I've read one or two people with guns have been reported. The police have walked back the reports of extortion which were just rumors.

It seems like this is more of a block party sit in that anything else

: "I think I've read"

"white nationalist drove into the crowd and shot a protester." Link?

[Pete F.]

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What could be done about police violence, real or imagined?
First of all we could track what is happening, we don't.
Police Departments are being accused of violating citizens Constitutional rights.

The Federal Government actually has an entity created to make sure that the Constitution is followed.
It was created after the Civil War to ensure that the 14th, 15th and 16th amendments were followed.
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It's called the Department of Justice.
It doesn't have jurisdiction over looting, vandalism, and even assault as they are all state crimes and may have some jurisdiction over rioting in some cases.
But it does have the power to examine pattern and practice in law enforcement organizations.
A systemic review of some police organizations starting with Minneapolis, Buffalo, NYC etc. would be well within it's purview.
But Barr refuses to do that.
One would think that he would apply the same diligence and enthusiasm to investigating law enforcement organizations at the state level as he has at the Federal level, it is a core responsibility of the organization he leads.

Originally Posted by JohnR

Well, sunshine, we DO track that. We do, in fact, track race in car stops, arrests, and other situations and reports are generated automatically at the local level for and by requirements of individual states. I am familiar with RI's and know other states have it as well. This system has been implemented for more than a few years. I cannot go into more detail than that.

But "we" as citizens cannot see that data

And that's exactly why the DOJ is the agency that should investigate.
The records are not public or accessible to investigators outside of police agencies and as has been demonstrated repeatedly police do not like to be investigated by anyone, internally or externally.
So things happen, nobody talks and life goes on.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

But "we" as citizens cannot see that data

And that's exactly why the DOJ is the agency that should investigate.
The records are not public or accessible to investigators outside of police agencies and as has been demonstrated repeatedly police do not like to be investigated by anyone, internally or externally.
So things happen, nobody talks and life goes on.

The only reason you want DOJ to investigate is to castigate the DOJ.


"We" as citizens, have proven unable to properly handle that data.

"We" as citizens, should be able to have a detailed dissection of the data and drill down and have comprehensive discussions BUT WE DON'T.

"We" as citizens, like Mom's Demand Action and Everytown, do not look at already PUBLICLY available data on firearm deaths for rifles (average less than 350 per year) and determine that this MASSIVE Gun Grab that divides this country is but for a tiny sliver (less than 0.1%).

So, yeh, maybe it is best NOT to have the data publicly available.

But if you wanted, you could go to your state and ask THEM for the data, or have the local paper do it.

[scottw]

this is pretty fabulous....

Mayor Thomas D'Alesandro, Jr., then mayor of Baltimore, and father of House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi said at the dedication, accepting the statue as the official representative of Baltimore:

"We can look for inspiration to the lives of Lee and Jackson to remind us to be resolute and determined in preserving our sacred institutions.

In these days of uncertainty and turmoil, Americans must emulate Jackson's example and stand like a stone wall against aggression in any form that would seek to destroy the liberty of the world."



there is a statue of Mayor Thomas D'Alesandro, Jr...I think a decapitation is in order...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

But "we" as citizens cannot see that data

And that's exactly why the DOJ is the agency that should investigate.
The records are not public or accessible to investigators outside of police agencies and as has been demonstrated repeatedly police do not like to be investigated by anyone, internally or externally.
So things happen, nobody talks and life goes on.

Originally Posted by JohnR

The only reason you want DOJ to investigate is to castigate the DOJ.


"We" as citizens, have proven unable to properly handle that data.

"We" as citizens, should be able to have a detailed dissection of the data and drill down and have comprehensive discussions BUT WE DON'T.

"We" as citizens, like Mom's Demand Action and Everytown, do not look at already PUBLICLY available data on firearm deaths for rifles (average less than 350 per year) and determine that this MASSIVE Gun Grab that divides this country is but for a tiny sliver (less than 0.1%).

So, yeh, maybe it is best NOT to have the data publicly available.

But if you wanted, you could go to your state and ask THEM for the data, or have the local paper do it.

The reason I want the DOJ to do it is because it quite literally is their job.
Ensuring the States follow the Constitution is the reason it was created and this was reaffirmed by Congress in the 60s with the Civil Rights Act.

What is not in DOJ's or Tweety's purview is the enforcement of state laws and few, if any federal laws have been violated in the current protests.

What do gun rights have to do with this discussion?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

This has got Antifa’s fingerprints all over it.
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Hahaha, no, this is just activists / agitators.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Probably white nationalists trying to tarnish the squeaky clean image of a community watchdog group.

I've heard some say things like that.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The reason I want the DOJ to do it is because it quite literally is their job.
Ensuring the States follow the Constitution is the reason it was created and this was reaffirmed by Congress in the 60s with the Civil Rights Act.

We're somewhat in alignment, I'd like to see the States AND the the Fed do their jobs.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What do gun rights have to do with this discussion?

Everything. The inability of the left and right to detailed look and come to agreement, rather than using the issues of the day as a wedge to separate and further divide us.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The only reason you want DOJ to investigate is to castigate the DOJ.


"We" as citizens, have proven unable to properly handle that data.

"We" as citizens, should be able to have a detailed dissection of the data and drill down and have comprehensive discussions BUT WE DON'T.

"We" as citizens, like Mom's Demand Action and Everytown, do not look at already PUBLICLY available data on firearm deaths for rifles (average less than 350 per year) and determine that this MASSIVE Gun Grab that divides this country is but for a tiny sliver (less than 0.1%).

So, yeh, maybe it is best NOT to have the data publicly available.

But if you wanted, you could go to your state and ask THEM for the data, or have the local paper do it.

I have not spent the time to validate this, but based on my attempts to find this information, I suspect that it is correct
FBI launched database on police use of force last year, but only 40 percent of police participated, and the data has not been published yet.

This data belongs to the public.
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