getting fired for saying "all lives matter"

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Where did the disrupters suddenly appear from to destroy the Utopian experience that existed at Dunbar is a simple question that points out the fault in Sowell’s hypothesis that integration ruined Dunbar.

The experience was not utopian. It was rigorous and disciplined. It was an insistence on high standards imposed by and demanded by the Principal and the teachers. There was no selection process. It did not require test scores or socio-economic qualifications to enter. All who applied would be accepted if physically possible. But once in, the student had to perform, no exceptions, no excuses. That was understood.

So, as Sowell said, there was self-selection. Those parents who applied were serious about their children being educated.

Sowell did not say that integration ruined Dunbar. He made it clear that the politically expedient decision to make Dunbar just another neighborhood school exposed it to the mass of those who were not as serious.

So the usual unruly, unserious, destroyed the character of the school. It was not about integration, but another sociological, cultural, and political problem that Sowell discusses at length in many other of his books and essays, but not detailed this article.

There easily could have been many other factors that changed to make the school and all of it’s members less successful. Aging leadership that doesn’t provide for continuity in mission along with an aging staff and then compounded by a significant mission change would disrupt any organization.
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Sowell stated very clearly that, contrary to aging leadership, it was the early retirements of once dedicated teachers and principals caused by the destruction of the ability to impose a work and discipline ethic and, presumably, the influx of current anti-disciplinary pedagogical theories that destroyed what Dunbar was and turned it into just another ghetto neighborhood school. A typical type of school that provides jobs for those with education degrees but doesn't provide the necessary disciplined and demanding learning environment required to produce quality education.

Various alternative school systems (with Dunbar-like aspirations), charter, choice, vouchers, etc. try to bypass the current education industry lock on the neighborhood school notion. But the industry and its union members with their paid for political lackeys, resist.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Sowell stated very clearly that, contrary to aging leadership, it was the early retirements of once dedicated teachers and principals caused by the destruction of the ability to impose a work and discipline ethic and, presumably, the influx of current anti-disciplinary pedagogical theories that destroyed what Dunbar was and turned it into just another ghetto neighborhood school. A typical type of school that provides jobs for those with education degrees but doesn't provide the necessary disciplined and demanding learning environment required to produce quality education.

Various alternative school systems (with Dunbar-like aspirations), charter, choice, vouchers, etc. try to bypass the current education industry lock on the neighborhood school notion. But the industry and its union members with their paid for political lackeys, resist.

Oddly enough children with involved parents will usually excel in any school they attend and most with parents who are not, will not.
What concerns me more is mainstreaming the least educable and removing funding for programs for the top tier. That has been going on for the last 25 years and as a board member 20+ years ago I saw the effects of it. Dunbar would fall within that group.
In large part I believe that is what has driven the push for Charter, etc. schools.
It also has caused some very intelligent kids without involved parents to be lost in the educational system.
And I do agree with you on our self perpetuating education system, where those who excel at "school" become educators, love meetings about "school" and don't necessarily become skilled at teaching.
Luckily it is not true in all cases.

[scottw]

the marxist new york times cancel culture...I thought these people were supposed to be open-minded, more highly educated, tolerant, all about peace the party of "Love" and stuff

https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

the marxist new york times cancel culture...I thought these people were supposed to be open-minded, more highly educated, tolerant, all about peace the party of "Love" and stuff

https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter

Pot meet Kettle

Tweety is the original cancel culture proponent, from Apple to the Wall Street Journal, he has wanted them all fired, boycotted and cancelled.

Then look at "conservative" publications and search for critics of Tweety. There are very few. National Review got rid of David French and Jonah Goldberg. WSJ lost Bret Stephens and Bari Weiss. Fox News has lots of Tweety propagandists, but sent George Will down the road.

So if you are a centrist, you will get cancelled, by one side or the other.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by scottw

the marxist new york times cancel culture...I thought these people were supposed to be open-minded, more highly educated, tolerant, all about peace the party of "Love" and stuff

https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter

She didn’t have the lock step down.