Trump Ally Roger Stone Gets 40 Months for Lying, Witness-Tampering

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

No no no.... I am not a snowflake. I am not frazzled. I am an educated, free thinking, independent, who voted against Hillary, yet votes with a conscience.

What does your conscience tell you about which party will protect your signature quote “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.

I never thought that Trump had a chance leading up to the convention. And here we are, three and a half years into it. He hasn't taken advantage of anything except taking care of his own personal agenda. And his loyal cronies. Woe be the loyal soldier who bows to the laws of the land, though... cough cough Cohen....

It is extremely difficult to do anything other than take care of his personal agenda when for those three and a half years he has been consumed with constant investigations, accusations, lies and misrepresentation against him that required his time and resources to combat. Even so, in spite of that, as has been pointed out several times, he has done, against ferocious opposition, quite a bit that many consider good for the country.

The two administrations his most resembles are Woodrow Wilson's and 1930s Germany.... Ponder that last one for a minute.

That's an interesting comment. Could you elaborate?
I don't see the important resemblances.

I am amazed at how many very intelligent, well read, educated people, many who I consider friends, can follow and support this man with such fervor..... His shortcomings and failures are to the detriment of the people of these United States. I would willingly follow a leader. But he clearly is not one.

I am amazed that the clear corruption, abuse of power, dangerously illegal, and frightening, machinations that have been maliciously plotted and carried out by the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the FBI and CIA, against this President are so completely ignored. You speak of the detriment of the people of these United States?

If you don't think the most powerful criminal and intel organizations of this country willfully, purposefully, illegally concocting a narrative of the President conspiring with Russia, all in order to remove him from his duly elected office is far more dangerous than Trump's supposed lies (many of which are fabricated to appear so) and shortcomings and failures, then that is amazing to me. And, even worse, the leaders of the opposition party being complicit.

It's not about Trump. Those who are amazed that we support Trump are so myopic that they not only disregard the illegal attempt to bring him down, which is far, far more dangerous to the constitutional protection of our liberty than anything Trump has done, but they, even more strangely, pass over our repeated claim that it is not about Trump. It is about the battle of under which ideology we are to be governed.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I am amazed that the clear corruption, abuse of power, dangerously illegal, and frightening, machinations that have been maliciously plotted and carried out by the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the FBI and CIA, against this President are so completely ignored. You speak of the detriment of the people of these United States?

If you don't think the most powerful criminal and intel organizations of this country willfully, purposefully, illegally concocting a narrative of the President conspiring with Russia, all in order to remove him from his duly elected office is far more dangerous than Trump's supposed lies (many of which are fabricated to appear so) and shortcomings and failures, then that is amazing to me. And, even worse, the leaders of the opposition party being complicit.

It's not about Trump. Those who are amazed that we support Trump are so myopic that they not only disregard the illegal attempt to bring him down, which is far, far more dangerous to the constitutional protection of our liberty than anything Trump has done, but they, even more strangely, pass over our repeated claim that it is not about Trump. It is about the battle of under which ideology we are to be governed.

You need to come out of moms basement, you need to stop drinking that coolaid, take that MAGA hat off it’s clearly cutting off flow to your brain and step outside to clear your head of all those conspiracy theory’s Trump and his minions have been spinning.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You need to come out of moms basement, you need to stop drinking that coolaid, take that MAGA hat off it’s clearly cutting off flow to your brain and step outside to clear your head of all those conspiracy theory’s Trump and his minions have been spinning.

this is intellectually lazy...

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is intellectually lazy...

Trying to debate this guy is like beating your head against a wall, he isn’t rational. He appears much smarter than he is, hence his need to pontificate, don’t let it fool you. Much rather enjoy a bit of fun poking him with some levity. He is oxygen starved clearly and needs to get some air.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Trying to debate this guy is like beating your head against a wall, he isn’t rational. He appears much smarter than he is, hence his need to pontificate, don’t let it fool you. Much rather enjoy a bit of fun poking him with some levity. He is oxygen starved clearly and needs to get some air.

he is clearly much smarter and better informed than you and nothing you wrote was even mildly amusing, but I have confidence that you can improve and be more creative

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I am amazed that the clear corruption, abuse of power, dangerously illegal, and frightening, machinations that have been maliciously plotted and carried out by the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the FBI and CIA, against this President are so completely ignored. You speak of the detriment of the people of these United States?

If you don't think the most powerful criminal and intel organizations of this country willfully, purposefully, illegally concocting a narrative of the President conspiring with Russia, all in order to remove him from his duly elected office is far more dangerous than Trump's supposed lies (many of which are fabricated to appear so) and shortcomings and failures, then that is amazing to me. And, even worse, the leaders of the opposition party being complicit.

It's not about Trump. Those who are amazed that we support Trump are so myopic that they not only disregard the illegal attempt to bring him down, which is far, far more dangerous to the constitutional protection of our liberty than anything Trump has done, but they, even more strangely, pass over our repeated claim that it is not about Trump. It is about the battle of under which ideology we are to be governed.

Wow, just wow.... I have to take a step back when I hear this argument. If "the most powerful criminal and intel organization in the country," ( I believe you mean the Democratic party operatives) could not secure an impeachment, then I question the title you have chosen to give them. This is all too extreme, for me at least, to even consider as credible. And if true, then we are just plain fuc ked anyway.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Wow, just wow.... I have to take a step back when I hear this argument. If "the most powerful criminal and intel organization in the country," ( I believe you mean the Democratic party operatives) could not secure an impeachment, then I question the title you have chosen to give them. This is all too extreme, for me at least, to even consider as credible. And if true, then we are just plain fuc ked anyway.

I think he is referring to FBI Ross

And if power goes to the left, just plain #^&#^&#^&#^&ed is an understatement
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

I think he is referring to FBI Ross

And if power goes to the left, just plain #^&#^&#^&#^&ed is an understatement
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Maybe? IDK. But either way, I am not ok with extremists from the left or the right. I am not ok with defunding police, tearing down statues and rewriting our history. I am not ok with political divides as they are put up with city mayors outlawing all protests, except BLM. I am not ok with looters and protesters hiding behind the feel good movement of the year. I am not ok with people losing jobs for saying ALL lives matter, nor am I ok with my generation of white America made to feel we are the root of the problem. My generation has seen and done more than all other generations before us. I remember hearing the racist comments growing up and know the difference between my thoughts and actions and those of my parents. One bad cop in Minnesota, who should have been fired and prosecuted years before George Floyd, has boiled into a divided nation that is using this platform to further divide us when we needed a leader to unite. Sadly neither the right nor the left seem interested in doing this. All they want is to dismantle the other side at ANY COST.

And I believe in the science. Masks work. POTUS is an ass thinking his gut is better for our health, be it physical, mental, or economic. Schools aren't going to open across the board. Major professional sports are not going to be able to get through these "resumed" seasons without collateral damage. The world is laughing at us and how we can't control ourselves.... Covid has gotten the upper hand again nationally, if not in Massachusetts. But jumping into further opening will just lengthen the number of months before we can truly be back to normal. Canada may look more attractive to those suffering economically

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Wow, just wow.... I have to take a step back when I hear this argument. If "the most powerful criminal and intel organization in the country," ( I believe you mean the Democratic party operatives) could not secure an impeachment, then I question the title you have chosen to give them. This is all too extreme, for me at least, to even consider as credible. And if true, then we are just plain fuc ked anyway.

By the powerful criminal and intel organization in the country, I did, as Slipknot said, mean the FBI (as well as its international corollary the CIA. The Democrat party is not an intel org). But I did say that the Dems were complicit.

When you say you have to take a step back when you here this argument, and that it is all too extreme for you to even consider as credible, I would guess that's because the major media has not reported it, but, on the contrary, has ridiculed it all as "conspiricy theories."

Consider this fairly brief but to the point article in The Hill which covers only some of the material that is being declassified and reconsider what you think is too extreme to consider credible:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...tr?ocid=msnews