even the right has its own cancel culture

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I know... no one spoke to the Russians

Lots of people spoke to the Russians. It's OK to talk to the Russians. It was Flynn's job to talk to the Russians. His conversations with the Russians were not illegal or treasonous.


no one lied about talking to the Russians

The FBI didn't think he lied. Flynn didn't think he lied. He was not charged nor convicted of treason. His conversation with the Russians were deemed by the FBI to be perfectly legitimate. He confessed to lying under duress. He has changed his plea now that the duress has been removed and he is free to tell the truth. In any case, his coerced confession was immaterial to the actual case against him since he had done nothing wrong and his coerced "lie" didn't affect the fact that he did nothing wrong, nor was it connected to any wrong doing, nor did it cover up any malfeasance. His "lie" was totally immaterial and irrelevant to the nature of the investigation and interrogation of him. The lie was total, unimportant, concocted and coerced BS.

Trump never asked for Russian help ..

He never asked the Russians to interfere with the elections.

none of it happened

Well, yeah, the whole phony, contrived, attempt to get rid of Trump happened.

like I said alternative facts

Yeah, alternative facts that Trump conspired with Russia to affect the election.

Ps it was an investigation Trump and his campaign conspired with the Russians to win the elections.

Yeah, that's your alternative fact.

Investigation are what happens and none was found.

Because there was nothing to be found, other than that there was not sufficient evidence to support the conspiracy that Trump conspired with Russia to affect the election.

Yet you'll ingnore obstructed justice part of it .

I did not ignore that there was not sufficient evidence to prove the conspiracy that Trump obstructed justice.

Cant wait for your take on his latest executive orders

Sure you can.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Sure you can.

When you are you going to comment on Jerry Jr rather than hijacking it with but but russia. Did you have an issue with. The bengiza investigation? And how many indictments where given . Oh wait none

34 people he indicted along the way in the Russians investigation such a stand up bunch of people working for this law and order or pardon my friends President

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

When you are you going to comment on Jerry Jr rather than hijacking it with but but russia. Did you have an issue with. The bengiza investigation? And how many indictments where given . Oh wait none

34 people he indicted along the way in the Russians investigation such a stand up bunch of people working for this law and order or pardon my friends President

See post #8

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The FBI didn't think he lied. Flynn didn't think he lied. He was not charged nor convicted of treason. His conversation with the Russians were deemed by the FBI to be perfectly legitimate. He confessed to lying under duress. He has changed his plea now that the duress has been removed and he is free to tell the truth. In any case, his coerced confession was immaterial to the actual case against him since he had done nothing wrong and his coerced "lie" didn't affect the fact that he did nothing wrong, nor was it connected to any wrong doing, nor did it cover up any malfeasance. His "lie" was totally immaterial and irrelevant to the nature of the investigation and interrogation of him. The lie was total, unimportant, concocted and coerced BS.

Pretty much all of this is untrue.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Pretty much all of this is untrue.
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Pretty much all of it is true.

[RickBomba]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Pretty much all of it is true.

So, if it’s true, why did Flynn himself admit he was guilty in his plea?

My old man used to say “An innocent man has nothing to hide, and doesn’t stop fighting for his integrity.”
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RickBomba

So, if it’s true, why did Flynn himself admit he was guilty in his plea?

See post #8.

My old man used to say “An innocent man has nothing to hide, and doesn’t stop fighting for his integrity.”
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That's true, and Flynn is still fighting.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That's true, and Flynn is still fighting.

Flynn wasn't under duress, he got caught trying to undermine US policy. He's lucky the plea agreement was as generous as it was. He may be wishing he kept it.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Flynn wasn't under duress,

he was

he got caught trying to undermine US policy. He's lucky the plea agreement was as generous as it was. He may be wishing he kept it.

He was not undermining, he was trying to keep Russia from retaliating over aggressively, but instead to make its response "reciprocal" so that we would not be forced to escalate beyond the present expulsions. Also, it is contended that Flynn lied about discussing the financial sanctions levied by Obama against the Russians. But Flynn did not discuss that with Kislyak, his request to keep the Russian response "reciprocal" was in regard to the expulsion of Russian diplomats. Even President Obama noted that sanctions and expulsions were entirely separate issues. Which is why he didn't believe he actually lied, because the discussion was not about the sanctions. "The transcripts show that while Kislyak obliquely raised the issue of financial sanctions against certain Russian intelligence officials, Flynn himself never discussed the financial sanctions against Russian individuals and entities levied by the Obama administration. Instead, Flynn focused on preventing U.S. “tit-for-tat” escalation following the Obama administration’s expulsion of Russian diplomats."

While Flynn initially pleaded guilty to the charges after Mueller’s office threatened to persecute his son, he moved to withdraw his plea in federal court following the emergence of evidence that the FBI’s ambush interview of him without counsel present was an unlawful setup with no legal investigative predicate and that Mueller’s office improperly withheld exculpatory information from him.

The main thing to understand is that prior to being investigated he did nothing for which there was a valid reason to investigate. That's why he was not charged with anything more than the coerced "lie." What he did before that "lie" was perfectly legal. There was no valid reason to investigate him in the first place. And when the FBI determined that and wanted to close the investigation, it was continued under no valid reason until Flynn could be coerced into "lying."