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Originally Posted by detbuch

The U.S. postal system has needed extra funding at least ever since it became unionized. And for most personal and even much of people's official and financial correspondence, it has greatly been replaced by the internet. Computer mailing would probably be more reliable than postal mail.

Not since unionization as much as since a Republican led congress insisted they hold ridiculously high pension reserves.

Regardless it's an unprecedented, vile, shameless and brazen politicization of our system.

[Got Stripers]

It’s Trump looking for a conspiracy where one doesn’t exist, so he is turning the postal service into part of his campaign team. Trump never hides his intent, he basically admitted he is killing the funding to stop the mail in voting.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Not since unionization as much as since a Republican led congress insisted they hold ridiculously high pension reserves.

Regardless it's an unprecedented, vile, shameless and brazen politicization of our system.

Yeah, quite a bit since unionization, though not only because of that. The price of government beyond its normal idiotic and unsustainable spending, has incrementally grown by periodic union demands in wages and benefits--especially the benefits and generous pension arrangements and low ages possible for retirement.

As for the idea that the high pension reserves is the cause, this Forbes article effectively explains it differently: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/.../#2281215d335f

[wdmso]

Your mail in vote doesn't leave the town you mailed in in it's not rocket science

Thousands of absentee ballots have been processed by the military overseas forever they dont magically disappear or increase

At best they need some funding to cover overtime to process the ballots

[Pete F.]

Ahh it’s the evil unionists
Oddly enough the growth of the middle class parallels the growth of unions, those dirty bastards
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Ahh it’s the evil unionists
Oddly enough the growth of the middle class parallels the growth of unions, those dirty bastards
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Their growth is parallel because it requires the creation of strong enough economies generated by profitable businesses that can afford to hire the number of workers and pay them the wages needed to sustain and grow the power of a union. The businesses come first. The unions follow.

It isn't as if unions were formed in order to create businesses. There was a middle class without unions. There are middle class jobs that don't have union employees. A free market can produce a middle class without unions. But unions need a market to exist in which they can usefully unionize.

The notion that it was the unions that created the middle class is backwards. And I didn't say that unions are evil. Private sector unions are viable because the relation is symbiotic. The union needs the business to be successful, so, if it is reasonable, it will negotiate win/win contracts. Public sector unions aren't as hampered by the need of their government agency to be profitable. Public sector unions are often one of the reasons why contracts, especially legacy costs, are not sustainable without the government raising taxes or going further into debt.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Your mail in vote doesn't leave the town you mailed in in it's not rocket science

Thousands of absentee ballots have been processed by the military overseas forever they dont magically disappear or increase

At best they need some funding to cover overtime to process the ballots

you understand the difference between absentee and mail-in voting...right?

[Got Stripers]

The Covid virus has taken focus away from something far more troubling to future generations, but when you don’t believe in science to begin with, it’s all just white noise. Greenland ice is predicted to be soon beyond the point of stopping the ice melt eclipsing any snow to replace it and if it goes eventually that’s 23 feet of see level.

Here is a smart guy’s prediction, but hey vote for a science denier if you don’t care about your grandkids future.

Bill Gates summarized the current research this way: “By 2060, climate change could be just as deadly as COVID-19, and by 2100 it could be five times as deadly.” And unlike this pandemic, it would not abate and could not even be stalled, except by entirely zeroing out every ounce of carbon being produced now — 37 gigatons annually — by the planet we have transformed into an emissions factory, and then waiting, at least decades and perhaps centuries, for the climate to stabilize.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

The Covid virus has taken focus away from something far more troubling to future generations, but when you don’t believe in science to begin with, it’s all just white noise. Greenland ice is predicted to be soon beyond the point of stopping the ice melt eclipsing any snow to replace it and if it goes eventually that’s 23 feet of see level.

Here is a smart guy’s prediction, but hey vote for a science denier if you don’t care about your grandkids future.

Bill Gates summarized the current research this way: “By 2060, climate change could be just as deadly as COVID-19, and by 2100 it could be five times as deadly.” And unlike this pandemic, it would not abate and could not even be stalled, except by entirely zeroing out every ounce of carbon being produced now — 37 gigatons annually — by the planet we have transformed into an emissions factory, and then waiting, at least decades and perhaps centuries, for the climate to stabilize.
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Old news.

[Got Stripers]

But no worries, what no children, no grandchildren, or just a science skeptic?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Awesome, I’ll finally have ocean front property
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

you understand the difference between absentee and mail-in voting...right?

yes there is no difference..

Not sure why you keep suggesting they are diffrent.. because they are spelled differently?

Care to tell us how they differe
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

yes there is no difference..

Not sure why you keep suggesting they are diffrent.. because they are spelled differently?

Care to tell us how they differe
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Well, absentee ballots are for those who are Physically located outside their voting jurisdiction

Where mail in voting is, as you stated.....

Originally Posted by wdmso

Your mail in vote doesn't leave the town you mailed in in it's not rocket science

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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well, absentee ballots are for those who are Physically located outside their voting jurisdiction
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No, they are for anyone who doesn’t want to or physically can’t go to a polling location for any reason allowed by local law.

My mom voted absentee for 30 years because she couldn’t walk.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well, absentee ballots are for those who are Physically located outside their voting jurisdiction

Where mail in voting is, as you stated.....


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absentee ballots are requested because the people that request them want to vote, the "mail-in" are just being sent out in volume....because democrats want to try to get as many stupid, lazy and dead people voting as possible because it increases their chances

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

absentee ballots are requested because the people that request them want to vote, the "mail-in" are just being sent out in volume....because democrats want to try to get as many stupid, lazy and dead people voting as possible because it increases their chances

Stupid might just help Trump, lazy benefits nobody, dead doesn’t really happen.

Don’t know why making voting safer in a pandemic is a bad thing. It’s one of the most important institutions we have and yet one more Trump wants to undermine.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

No, they are for anyone who doesn’t want to or physically can’t go to a polling location for any reason allowed by local law.

My mom voted absentee for 30 years because she couldn’t walk.
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Yeah, I’ll give you that, for those folks as well.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Yeah, I’ll give you that, for those folks as well.
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wait... the same people who can't or refuse to differentiate between illegal and legal immigrants....can't or refuse to differentiate between requested and mailed out unrequested ballots...this is shocking

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

absentee ballots are requested because the people that request them want to vote, the "mail-in" are just being sent out in volume....because democrats want to try to get as many stupid, lazy and dead people voting as possible because it increases their chances

Really love to see where that's happening.. Here in Massachusetts every registered voter had a application for a mail in ballot sent to their home.. and had the choice go to a polling site or fill out the application to receive a MAIL IN BALLOT


But why should facts matter

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Really love to see where that's happening.. Here in Massachusetts every registered voter had a application for a mail in ballot sent to their home.. and had the choice go to a polling site or fill out the application to receive a MAIL IN BALLOT


But why should facts matter

CNBCPOLITICS

PUBLISHED FRI, AUG 14 2020
POLITICS

New Jersey will send mail-in ballots to ‘everybody’ for 2020 election, despite Trump’s attacks, governor says


New Jersey will send mail-in ballots to all registered voters for the 2020 presidential election while still offering the option for voters to cast their ballots in person, Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday.

“It doesn’t matter what party you’re in, everybody gets a ballot,” Murphy announced in a CNN interview.

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Originally Posted by scottw

CNBCPOLITICS

PUBLISHED FRI, AUG 14 2020
POLITICS

New Jersey will send mail-in ballots to ‘everybody’ for 2020 election, despite Trump’s attacks, governor says


New Jersey will send mail-in ballots to all registered voters for the 2020 presidential election while still offering the option for voters to cast their ballots in person, Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday.

“It doesn’t matter what party you’re in, everybody gets a ballot,” Murphy announced in a CNN interview.

Think of the widespread corruption when all of those people who were too lazy to register don't get ballots.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Think of the widespread corruption when all of those people who were too lazy to register don't get ballots.

that's ok democraps and their friends are working hard to register everyone with or without a pulse

[Pete F.]

One would think it important to make sure Americans vote

Country % of voting-age population % of registered voters
Belgium (2014)* 87.21% 89.37%
Sweden (2014) 82.61% 85.81%
Denmark (2015) 80.34% 85.89%
Australia (2016)* 78.96% 90.98%
South Korea (2017) 77.92% 77.23%
Netherlands (2017) 77.31% 81.93%
Israel (2015) 76.10% 72.34%
New Zealand (2017) 75.65% 79.01%
Finland (2015) 73.14% 66.85%
Hungary (2018) 71.65% 69.68%
Norway (2017) 70.59% 78.22%
Germany (2017) 69.11% 76.15%
Austria (2017) 68.79% 80.00%
France (2017) 67.93% 74.56%
Mexico (2012)* 65.97% 63.08%
Italy (2018) 65.28% 73.05%
Czech Republic (2018) 63.44% 66.57%
U.K. (2017) 63.25% 69.31%
Greece (2015)* 62.14% 56.16%
Canada (2015) 62.12% 68.28%
Portugal (2015) 61.75% 55.84%
Spain (2016) 61.17% 66.48%
Slovakia (2016) 59.43% 59.82%
Ireland (2016) 58.04% 65.09%
Estonia (2015) 56.82% 64.23%
United States (2016) 55.70% 86.80%
Luxembourg (2013)* 55.12% 91.15%
Slovenia (2014) 54.09% 51.73%
Poland (2015) 53.83% 55.34%
Chile (2017) 52.20% 49.02%
Latvia (2014) 51.69% 58.80%
Switzerland (2015)* 38.63% 48.40%
Iceland (2017) NA 81.20%
Japan (2017) NA 53.65%
Turkey (2017)* NA 85.43%
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

CNBCPOLITICS

PUBLISHED FRI, AUG 14 2020
POLITICS

New Jersey will send mail-in ballots to ‘everybody’ for 2020 election, despite Trump’s attacks, governor says


New Jersey will send mail-in ballots to all registered voters for the 2020 presidential election while still offering the option for voters to cast their ballots in person, Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday.

“It doesn’t matter what party you’re in, everybody gets a ballot,” Murphy announced in a CNN interview.

Again with the needle in the haystack theory

Now all haystack are full of needles
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Again with the needle in the haystack theory

Now all haystack are full of needles
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ummm...no

you very arrogantly wrote...

"Really love to see where that's happening.. ..But why should facts matter"


I showed you that you were wrong...period

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

One would think it important to make sure Americans vote


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voting is voluntary and optional....it's not your business to make sure anyone votes but yourself

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by scottw

voting is voluntary and optional....it's not your business to make sure anyone votes but yourself

Pete is an authoritarian.

[wdmso]

https://www.foxcarolina.com/trump-en...5e64c42fd.html

Trump told supporters who'd dialed into a telephone rally. "You can request absentee ballots right now. Absentee ballots are great."
Trump encouraged supporters to "watch that other people aren't cheating, because that's what they're looking to do."

At the same time, he told his audience: "Absentee voting is a secure process. It's initiated by the voter -- you request it -- and every voter is verified. Every vote is verified. It's the exact opposite of Democrats' voter fraud scheme. They want to mail ballots to every eligible voter all over the state."


PS universal voting is another Trump Lie like open border, attacks on Christians


WOW Scott which is it good or bad encouraging people to get a mail in ballot but watch your neighbors they might be cheating because their Democrats?

Donald Trump keeps blasting 'universal' mail voting. But few states are planning that in November

But only nine states and the District of Columbia so far plan to hold universal mail-in elections
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/3333957001/

At least 77% of American voters can cast ballots by mail in the fall

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...y-mail-states/

And your needle you found doesn't support you or Trumps claims of wide spread fraud ..

Now you move the needle and ,, claim I just said Fraud .. nothing about widespread.. correct

But Republicans have always been about Voter suppression. It's in their DNA and nothing scares them like voter turn out

[Pete F.]

Nothing to see here

Tweety's donor installed as head of the USPS continues to cut, "reorganize," and dismantle parts of the agency.
The inspector general of USPS " is reviewing controversial policy changes recently imposed under Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, and is also examining DeJoy's compliance with federal ethics rules..."

READING ACROSS THE COUNTRY on the front page of local newspapers:
Arizona Republic, bottom of the front page: “Postal Service warns 46 states about ballot delays” …
Sacramento Bee: “Newsom says USPS changes ‘sabotage’ mail-in vote” …
San Diego Union-Tribune: “POSTAL SERVICE WARNS STATES IT MAY NOT MEET MAIL-IN BALLOT DEADLINES” …
Connecticut Post: “USPS to CT: Mail-in ballots not assured by Nov. 3 election” …
Hartford Courant: “USPS: Ballot delivery could be late” …
…
Miami Herald: “USPS warns Florida some of its mail ballots could be rejected” …
Tampa Bay Times: “Mail-in votes are threatened” …
Atlanta Journal-Constitution: “Mail delays may void absentee ballots”…
Wichita Eagle: “USPS removes mail machines in Mo., Kansas” … Baltimore Sun: “Answers sought in delays of US mail” …
Boston Globe: “Postal service warns about vote” …
Kansas City Star: “Mail machines in Kansas, Missouri removed by USPS” …
Star-Ledger (N.J.): “Postal service warns of possible ballot delay” …
…
Charlotte Observer: “NC voters urged to request, mail absentee ballots earlier” …
The Oregonian: “Leaders blast postal changes” …
Dallas Morning News: “Are mail ballots at risk?” …
Houston Chronicle: “States warned mail-in ballot delays likely” …
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: “USPS warns ballot delivery at risk”

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

ummm...no

you very arrogantly wrote...

"Really love to see where that's happening.. ..But why should facts matter"


I showed you that you were wrong...period

No you stated and I qoute mail-in" are just being sent out in volume....because democrats want to try to get as many stupid, lazy and dead people voting as possible because it increases their chances

And then I arrogantly wrote...qoute

"Really love to see where that's happening.. ..But why should facts matter"

And you showed me 1 state sending ballots to all registered voters 6 others are doing the same thing not all Blue ... but you never showed the reason other than your conspericy on why ... .. I guess in your Analysis Republicans wont be getting ballots in any state who mails ballots to all registered voters. , just asking. How you think mail in ballots help 1 side or hurts the other ?

I would think any American would support and encourage all Americans to vote and if making easier would benfit our democracy giving the people equal representation they deserve. But it's clear you only support a voting system you feel provides you and your party a cushion, via voter suppression tactics