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09-02-2020, 11:01 AM
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I have seen all this info. If it's all true, you may well be right. At a minimum, once again, this event was more complicated than the leftist mob spun it as. Once again, the left went nuts without having the facts, and once again, looks like they have egg on their faces. They never learn to wait for the facts, they are not capable of waiting for the facts, not if there's political capital to gain.
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I get it, cause I am sometimes guilty of it as well, this stuff gets emotional on both sides. When it comes to Constitutionally protected rights though, I get pissed. This whole thing is also making a perfect case that
1. The AR platform is a perfect platform for self protection
2. The need for hi capacity magazines to protect yourself for legal gun owners. Why should we be at a disadvantage, did you see how many people were attacking this kid.
Everyone commenting on this should watch the youtube video which show a very good chronology of the events from right before the first shooting. The only thing it doesn't show is the widely circulated video of the first guy, taunting the patriots, called them the N word, even though there were actually some armed black patriots in the group with Kyle. This guy was highly agitated and it would not surprise me if he was on something too
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09-01-2020, 11:41 AM
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His lawyer is going to pick apart any charges... He works in Kenosha as a lifeguard. He was working in Kenosha that day. He went with a friend after work to clean graffiti off of a public building. In the process of graphiti removal, they received a call for help protecting a mechanics shop owned a man who car dealership was destroyed the night before. Someone in Kenosha gave him the rifle, and according to his lawyer he is not a prohibited because it is not a Short Barreled Rifle, or sawed off shotgun, and Wisconsin is an open carry state. Every chronology of video evidence shows that this was self defense, including an interview with a reporter who was interviewing him , before he was chased, and was there when the first guy was shot.. Everything the reporter has detailed to police shows that the first guy was trying to take the rifle, for no reason other than he thought he was a tough guy who could get one over on a younger person.
Mark this post, that kid is getting off, with at most a misdemeanor
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Where are you getting your info? He needed a permit and he needed to be 18 according to Wisconsin law. He's in for it.
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09-01-2020, 12:27 PM
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His lawyer is going to pick apart any charges... He works in Kenosha as a lifeguard. He was working in Kenosha that day. He went with a friend after work to clean graffiti off of a public building. In the process of graphiti removal, they received a call for help protecting a mechanics shop owned a man who car dealership was destroyed the night before. Someone in Kenosha gave him the rifle, and according to his lawyer he is not a prohibited because it is not a Short Barreled Rifle, or sawed off shotgun, and Wisconsin is an open carry state. Every chronology of video evidence shows that this was self defense, including an interview with a reporter who was interviewing him , before he was chased, and was there when the first guy was shot.. Everything the reporter has detailed to police shows that the first guy was trying to take the rifle, for no reason other than he thought he was a tough guy who could get one over on a younger person.
Mark this post, that kid is getting off, with at most a misdemeanor
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You can't carry a firearm in WI at 17 unless you are hunting. A friend gave it to him which could lead to accessory charges. You also can't shoot someone just because they might be about to or are damaging property.
The homicide charges are extremely serious, I don't think a self defense claim is going to fly when you intentionally put yourself in the situation with a weapon. It will be interesting to see if the can conclusively prove what led to the first shooting. Expect his social media activity to get a lot of scrutiny.
His defense should be I'm dumb, immature and listened to too much Trump.
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09-02-2020, 10:54 AM
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You can't carry a firearm in WI at 17 unless you are hunting. A friend gave it to him which could lead to accessory charges. You also can't shoot someone just because they might be about to or are damaging property.
The homicide charges are extremely serious, I don't think a self defense claim is going to fly when you intentionally put yourself in the situation with a weapon. It will be interesting to see if the can conclusively prove what led to the first shooting. Expect his social media activity to get a lot of scrutiny.
His defense should be I'm dumb, immature and listened to too much Trump.
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It's a good thing your not a lawyer..
Gun laws in Wisconsin
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Location of Wisconsin in the United States
Gun laws in Wisconsin regulate the sale, possession, and use of firearms and ammunition in the U.S. state of Wisconsin.
Contents
1 Summary table
2 Constitutional protection
3 Preemption
4 Concealed carry
5 Open carry
6 Castle Doctrine
7 No duty to inform
8 Guns in vehicles
8.1 Boats
8.2 Aircraft
8.3 Exceptions
9 Buying and selling
10 Title II firearms
11 State parks, fish hatcheries, and wildlife refuges
12 Other laws
13 Firearms and minors
14 School zones
15 Additional Wisconsin laws table
16 References
17 External links
Summary table[edit]
Subject/Law Long guns Handguns Relevant Statutes Notes
Constitutional right to bear arms Yes 1:25 "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose."
State preemption of local restrictions? Yes 66.0409
State permit required to purchase? No No A purchaser is prohibited from receiving a handgun from a FFL dealer until they’ve paid a background check fee and the state DOJ conducts an additional background check (over and above the Federal 4473).
License required for concealed carry? N/A Yes 175.60 Permit is given on a shall-issue basis. Concealed carry of knives (not intended for use as weapons) is legal without a permit.
Campus carry is allowed, but buildings may be exempted if signs forbidding firearms are posted.
License required for open carry? No No 947.01 948.60 66.0409
941.28
29.304
Open carry of loaded handguns and long guns and knives is permitted without a license for adults over 18, or for minors 16 or older when carrying a long gun that doesn't violate WS 941.28.
Owner license required? No No 941.29
Castle Doctrine/Self Defense Statutes Yes 895.62 Immunity from prosecution and civil damages in the home, with conditions and exceptions
939.48 No duty to retreat in the "dwelling" or owned/operated place of business. No deadly force solely to protect property. 3rd party protection. If attack is provoked, self defense may only be used if reasonable belief of imminent death or great bodily harm. If attack is provoked deadly force only allowed if all other reasonable means of avoidance exhausted.
940.01 "the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the facts constituting the defense did not exist in order to sustain a finding of guilt"
Firearm registration? No No
Assault weapon law? No No
Magazine capacity restrictions? No No
NFA weapons restricted? No No 941.298
941.26
Machine guns allowed, but may not shoot pistol cartridges and may not be possessed aggressively or offensively. Suppressors, SBR, and SBS are allowed if NFA rules followed, otherwise felony.
Background checks required for private sales? No
Since it points to wether or not said minor is not in violation of 941.28, which his rifle does not violate, since it is not a short barreled rifle or sawed off shotgun...
941.28 Possession of short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle.
(1) In this section:
(a) “Rifle" means a firearm designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder or hip and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of a propellant in a metallic cartridge to fire through a rifled barrel a single projectile for each pull of the trigger.
(b) “Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels having a length of less than 16 inches measured from closed breech or bolt face to muzzle or a rifle having an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(c) “Short-barreled shotgun" means a shotgun having one or more barrels having a length of less than 18 inches measured from closed breech or bolt face to muzzle or a shotgun having an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(d) “Shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder or hip and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of a propellant in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.
(2) No person may sell or offer to sell, transport, purchase, possess or go armed with a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle.
(3) Any person violating this section is guilty of a Class H felony.
(4) This section does not apply to the sale, purchase, possession, use or transportation of a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle to or by any armed forces or national guard personnel in line of duty, any peace officer of the United States or of any political subdivision of the United States or any person who has complied with the licensing and registration requirements under 26 USC 5801 to 5872. This section does not apply to the manufacture of short-barreled shotguns or short-barreled rifles for any person or group authorized to possess these weapons. The restriction on transportation contained in this section does not apply to common carriers. This section shall not apply to any firearm that may be lawfully possessed under federal law, or any firearm that could have been lawfully registered at the time of the enactment of the national firearms act of 1968.
(5) Any firearm seized under this section is subject to s. 968.20 (3) and is presumed to be contraband.
History: 1979 c. 115; 2001 a. 109.
The intent in sub. (1) (d) is that of the fabricator; that the gun is incapable of being fired or not intended to be fired by the possessor is immaterial. State v. Johnson, 171 Wis. 2d 175, 491 N.W.2d 110 (Ct. App. 1992).
“Firearm" means a weapon that acts by force of gunpowder to fire a projectile, regardless of whether it is inoperable due to disassembly. State v. Rardon, 185 Wis. 2d 701, 518 N.W.2d 330 (Ct. App. 1994).
Here is a pretty well put together timeline of videos some of which is shot by a reporter or blogger who was there, you will see the Kyle Rittenhouse was not the aggressor, and in fact was targeted and attacked. In the bag that was thrown at him was a brick...
https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFE
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09-01-2020, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist
His lawyer is going to pick apart any charges... He works in Kenosha as a lifeguard. He was working in Kenosha that day. He went with a friend after work to clean graffiti off of a public building. In the process of graphiti removal, they received a call for help protecting a mechanics shop owned a man who car dealership was destroyed the night before. Someone in Kenosha gave him the rifle, and according to his lawyer he is not a prohibited because it is not a Short Barreled Rifle, or sawed off shotgun, and Wisconsin is an open carry state. Every chronology of video evidence shows that this was self defense, including an interview with a reporter who was interviewing him , before he was chased, and was there when the first guy was shot.. Everything the reporter has detailed to police shows that the first guy was trying to take the rifle, for no reason other than he thought he was a tough guy who could get one over on a younger person.
Mark this post, that kid is getting off, with at most a misdemeanor
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Sad you would support him as if it's a 2A . And self defense. Argument
Classics. Blame everyone but the guy who pulled the trigger that's a go to message from conservatives... from the women who got shot in a police raid. They blamed her for her boyfriend, or the boy who police shot in the park they blamed him for playing with a toy gun , the man who told police he had a gun and had a permit to carry , then shot by cop he told. The excuse he shouldn't have had it or he moved to fast
Man jogging shoot by 2 guys in a truck.. excuses he shouldn't have been in the neighborhood or in the construction site ..
Yea but god forbid you say this kid shouldn't have the gun or he shouldn't have been there
Or that shooti g someone in the back 7 times is excessive.. funny how that works
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09-02-2020, 11:04 AM
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Sad you would support him as if it's a 2A . And self defense. Argument
Classics. Blame everyone but the guy who pulled the trigger that's a go to message from conservatives... from the women who got shot in a police raid. They blamed her for her boyfriend, or the boy who police shot in the park they blamed him for playing with a toy gun , the man who told police he had a gun and had a permit to carry , then shot by cop he told. The excuse he shouldn't have had it or he moved to fast
Man jogging shoot by 2 guys in a truck.. excuses he shouldn't have been in the neighborhood or in the construction site ..
Yea but god forbid you say this kid shouldn't have the gun or he shouldn't have been there
Or that shooti g someone in the back 7 times is excessive.. funny how that works
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See above you have no idea what your talking about
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08-30-2020, 05:06 PM
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You raise a good point. People are showing the Tump flags like he's a paramilitary leader, not like he's POTUS defending the US Constitution. This is really a cause for concern.
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08-30-2020, 05:19 PM
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Just kick the crap out of him and I will pay his lawyer bills, if people didn’t see this coming they are living in the dark with no TV, internet or radio. This MF is leading this nation in a very dangerous direction, even if you don’t like the positions of the left, are you ready for what our four fathers fought hard to get away from. Long live the king?
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08-30-2020, 06:54 PM
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“To everyone instigating a possible civil war from all sides, let me give you a little bit of advice. Many of us served and fought in the wars. When our time was done, we came back to the USA to start over and live in peace. It wasn’t us who kneeled on the neck of a man until he died. It wasn’t us to retaliate by kneeling on the neck of a toddler saying “BLM NOW mf.”
You see, War is hell. Millions of you do not quite grasp this concept. We have been to hell, lived in hell, climbed out of hell, and don’t want to go back to hell. If you keep trampling on the peace we fought for, earned and love, then when that first shot gets fired, you will force us back to hell; and we will show you the brutal realities of hell.
Y’all better work this #^&#^&#^&#^& out before we do, because I guarantee you are not ready for this."
Not mine.... but I can't find anything to disagree with here...
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“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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08-30-2020, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by nightfighter
“To everyone instigating a possible civil war from all sides, let me give you a little bit of advice. Many of us served and fought in the wars. When our time was done, we came back to the USA to start over and live in peace. It wasn’t us who kneeled on the neck of a man until he died. It wasn’t us to retaliate by kneeling on the neck of a toddler saying “BLM NOW mf.”
You see, War is hell. Millions of you do not quite grasp this concept. We have been to hell, lived in hell, climbed out of hell, and don’t want to go back to hell. If you keep trampling on the peace we fought for, earned and love, then when that first shot gets fired, you will force us back to hell; and we will show you the brutal realities of hell.
Y’all better work this #^&#^&#^&#^& out before we do, because I guarantee you are not ready for this."
Not mine.... but I can't find anything to disagree with here...
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No arguments here.
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08-30-2020, 08:54 PM
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No arguments here.
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And why there is nothing more important for the future of this country than getting the childish inflamer out of the white house.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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08-30-2020, 07:28 PM
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When I saw the pickups with flags and people with guns, I wondered if it was Y’All Queda, or Vanilla ISIS?
It sure looks the same
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08-31-2020, 07:07 AM
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It seemed redundant to have both the confederate flag and the Trump flag on those pickups.
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09-01-2020, 08:15 AM
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It seemed redundant to have both the confederate flag and the Trump flag on those pickups.
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Ha ha ha, that's funny, please stop my stomach hurts.
Trump ushered in lowest black unemployment ever, and celebrated that fact at the SOTU while all the democrats sat there miserable.
Trump spearheaded criminal justice reform, which I don't happen to like but which nonetheless disproportionately helps blacks.
Trump worked with Senator Tim Scott (who is black), to create "economic opportunity zones" in impoverished urban areas, to incentivize businesses to invest there.
Trump is a huge proponent of school choice.
Are those the acts of a Klansman?
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09-01-2020, 08:29 AM
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Ha ha ha, that's funny, please stop my stomach hurts.It is actually pretty sad that so many racists who fly the confed. flag are Trump supporters. As an actuary don't you think that it is credible to say that the vast majority of people who fly the confed. flag are racists and that the vast majority of the people who fly confed. flags also support Trump
Trump ushered in lowest black unemployment ever, and celebrated that fact at the SOTU while all the democrats sat there miserable.
Trump spearheaded criminal justice reform, which I don't happen to like but which nonetheless disproportionately helps blacks.
Trump worked with Senator Tim Scott (who is black), to create "economic opportunity zones" in impoverished urban areas, to incentivize businesses to invest there.
Trump is a huge proponent of school choice.
Are those the acts of a Klansman?
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He has done more for Blacks than anyone since Lincoln! My stomach hurts.
So what exactly did Trump do that impacted Black unemployment that didn't impact non- Black unemployment?
Scott - One of the few Black Repubs. I guess you pointed it out to show that the Repubs. can't be racist bc there is a few Blacks in the party.
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09-01-2020, 09:27 AM
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He has done more for Blacks than anyone since Lincoln! My stomach hurts.
So what exactly did Trump do that impacted Black unemployment that didn't impact non- Black unemployment?
Scott - One of the few Black Repubs. I guess you pointed it out to show that the Repubs. can't be racist bc there is a few Blacks in the party.
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I completely agree most common racists are Trump supporters. Shows how stupid they are, because Trump has done a lot for blacks.
"He has done more for Blacks than anyone since Lincoln! My stomach hurts"
I never said that. I quoted you. You responded, as beaten liberals always do, with "but Trump".
But he has done an awful lot for blacks.
"So what exactly did Trump do that impacted Black unemployment that didn't impact non- Black unemployment?"
(1) a rising tide lifts all boats. Black unemployment had more room to decrease.
(2) he created the economic opportunity zones with Senator Tim Scott. Disproportionately helps blacks.
Your response?
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09-01-2020, 10:07 AM
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I completely agree most common racists are Trump supporters. Shows how stupid they are, because Trump has done a lot for blacks.
"He has done more for Blacks than anyone since Lincoln! My stomach hurts"
I never said that. I quoted you. You responded, as beaten liberals always do, with "but Trump".I never claimed you said that. So you responded as an angry person - as you always do. You can't help yourself - you're a vile angry person.
But he has done an awful lot for blacks.
"So what exactly did Trump do that impacted Black unemployment that didn't impact non- Black unemployment?"
(1) a rising tide lifts all boats. Black unemployment had more room to decrease.
(2) he created the economic opportunity zones with Senator Tim Scott. Disproportionately helps blacks.
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Rising tide lifts all boats means he really did nothing specifically for Blacks.
The opportunity zones provided some benefit for residents but was funded by the wealthiest Americans.
Neither of those does that much for Blacks vs Lincoln.
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Ha ha ha, that's funny, please stop my stomach hurts.
Trump ushered in lowest black unemployment ever, and celebrated that fact at the SOTU while all the democrats sat there miserable.
If you want to be stupid, don't forget that the republicans dared to sit at the SOTU when Obama was president and he is black.
Black unemployment reached a record low during the Trump administration, 5.4% in August, as the longest economic expansion in history pressed ahead.
Most of the progress came when Barack Obama was president: Black unemployment dropped from a recession high of 16.8% in March 2010 to 7.8% in January 2017. Improvement continued under Trump until the pandemic. Black unemployment reached 16.8% in May, compared with 13.3% for the overall population.
Not all economic measures improved for African Americans under Trump before the pandemic. A black household earned median income of $41,361 in 2018, the latest data available. That’s below a 2000 peak of $43,380, according to the Census Bureau.
Trump spearheaded criminal justice reform, which I don't happen to like but which nonetheless disproportionately helps blacks.
Restricted clemency to only those who are celebrities, well-connected individuals, or have a personal affiliation with the president
Encouraged the use of excessive police force on peaceful Black Lives Matter protestors
Threatened maximum sentences for vandalism of monuments
Restarted federal executions after a 17-year informal moratorium on federal capital punishment
Secretly altered the risk assessment authorized in the FIRST Step Act to drastically reduce the number of federally incarcerated people eligible to be released to subdue the spread of COVID-19
Denied federal coronavirus relief funding to small business owners with a criminal record
Argued in court against people eligible for sentence reductions under the FIRST STEP Act
Jeopardized the FIRST STEP Act by underfunding its programs
Reinstated DOJ contracts with private prisons
Left director of the Bureau of Prisons position vacant for more than a year
Disbanded a program to create federal prison education systems13
Closed halfway houses that help those incarcerated transition back to the community
Prohibited federal investigations of patterns of unconstitutional policin
Stopped assistance to police departments that voluntarily wanted reform
Eliminated restrictions preventing police departments from obtaining military equipment
Eliminated community-based violence prevention programs
Condemned public criticism of police by threatening that protestors “might find themselves without the protection they need”
Eliminated DOJ community policing program grants in proposed executive budget
Attacked prosecutors who are pursuing criminal justice reform in their communitites
Proposed to eliminate a DOJ office dedicated to help communities reduce racial conflict
Rescinded federal guidance meant to stem the flow of the school to prison pipeline
Ordered federal prosecutors to pursue the harshest punishments possible
Threatened federal prosecutions for marijuana in states where it is legal
Attempted to resume use of the federal death penalty and encouraged expansion of the death penalty in drug cases
Waged the same failed war on drugs from the 80s
Attempted to force federal job candidates to disclose participation in diversion programs28
Expanded the federal use of civil asset forfeiture
Suspended the national forensic science commission
Failed to report on deaths in police custody as required by Congress
Disbanded the DOJ Science Advisory Board that provided evidence-based rigor to DOJ policies
Rescinded DOJ guidance that warned courts against excessive fees and fines
Trump worked with Senator Tim Scott (who is black), to create "economic opportunity zones" in impoverished urban areas, to incentivize businesses to invest there.
That's politics and so is this:U.S. Sen. Tim Scott said President Donald Trump focused on “the wrong numbers” when he claimed this week that “more white people” die at the hands of police.
As the only Black Republican in the Senate and who also led his party’s efforts on police reform, Scott said there is no denying the disparities faced by people of color when it comes to policing.
“The facts are very simple. If you’re an African American male, you are 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police, killed by police, than someone who is white,” Scott said during a press availability in Charleston.
Trump is a huge proponent of school choice.
Not everyone is and that is why it has not become the norm no matter how much DeVos has spent to push it.
Are those the acts of a Klansman?
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Actually he's the son of a Klansman
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How much made up stuff was in that response? Gibberish and dodging.
You're terror is showing Pete. I don't know why, I still think he gets creamed. Doesn't force me to let go of reality.
Jim: Trump helped create economic opportunity zones.
Pete: more blacks get pulled over by the police!
Not sure what one has to do with the other, big guy.
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Charles Manson never actually murdered anyone. He just held rallies where he encouraged his followers to be violent.
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08-31-2020, 12:32 PM
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Trump Praises Counter Protesters as "Great Patriots" Following Deadly Demonstrations
But. He's not an Authoritarian..
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08-31-2020, 07:42 PM
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Rittenhouse must be guilty, because he has been declared guilty, by the same
people who said Darren Wilson was guilty, and the Duke lacrosse players, and Nick Samdman.
Right?
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09-01-2020, 07:57 AM
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Rittenhouse must be guilty, because he has been declared guilty, by the same
people who said Darren Wilson was guilty, and the Duke lacrosse players, and Nick Samdman.
Right?
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Right.
And the many of 1,000s of people wrongly convicted must be bc of some sort of mental flaw in the conserv. police who hide evidence or lie.
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Right.
And the many of 1,000s of people wrongly convicted must be bc of some sort of mental flaw in the conserv. police who hide evidence or lie.
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My point, and you are beyond smart enough to have know it, is that trials by media are a bad thing. Just in the last few years we have seen how catastrophic they can be for people whose lives are ruined yet did nothing wrong.
So why can't we all just say "this was a tragedy, let's get the facts and go from there."
And obviously both sides do it Paul, I'm not saying it's only one side. But 95% of the media has a liberal bias. So it's not exactly 50-50 either, especially when it comes to race.
It's a really bad idea. All of the riots in Ferguson, were based on a lie. A teenager named Nick Sandman was crucified in the media, based on a lie.
As to your specific post, police officers don't convict people. Juries do.
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09-01-2020, 08:26 AM
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My point, and you are beyond smart enough to have know it, is that trials by media are a bad thing. Just in the last few years we have seen how catastrophic they can be for people whose lives are ruined yet did nothing wrong.
So why can't we all just say "this was a tragedy, let's get the facts and go from there."
And obviously both sides do it Paul, I'm not saying it's only one side. But 95% of the media has a liberal bias. So it's not exactly 50-50 either, especially when it comes to race.
It's a really bad idea. All of the riots in Ferguson, were based on a lie. A teenager named Nick Sandman was crucified in the media, based on a lie.
As to your specific post, police officers don't convict people. Juries do.
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juries convict people based on the evidence. If the (conserv.) police lie/withhold evidence isn't that the same type of bias (actually much worse) you're complaining about?
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A 17 year old heard the message. He lived in Indiana. He sat in the front row of a Trump rally. He heard it all. He took it all in. He was poisoned by it. He was converted by it. He was radicalized by Trumpism the same way young men in the Middle East are radicalized by extremism
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09-01-2020, 07:03 AM
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A 17 year old heard the message. He lived in Indiana. He sat in the front row of a Trump rally. He heard it all. He took it all in. He was poisoned by it. He was converted by it. He was radicalized by Trumpism the same way young men in the Middle East are radicalized by extremism
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he was “converted” by trump? you’re a mind reader now? you know what his thoughts were before and after?
you’re getting really scared now, aren’t you pete? this kind of insane desperation is rooted in terror.
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09-01-2020, 08:14 AM
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To be clear, MAGA lunatics literally call terrorist Kyle Rittenhouse their hero after murdering two people, but hate Colin Kaepernick for taking a knee during the anthem and NBA players for bringing awareness to racial injustice and police brutality. Says it all.
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09-01-2020, 09:41 AM
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Simple, both are Senator Scott
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09-01-2020, 09:52 AM
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Simple, both are Senator Scott
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So if Senator Scott claims blacks get pulled over too often (which is true), that means it's not possible that Trump helped him create economic opportunity zones in urban areas?
Again, makes all kinds of sense Pete.
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