Nobody told me is just another lie

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding
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This is the proverbial making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

This is the proverbial making a mountain out of a molehill.

200 thousand dead is a mountain

Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc countries rally around leaders in times of crises usually...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc the country rallies around leaders in times of crises ...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit from that solely bc of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,hed be walking into reelection from that solely because of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,he’d be walking into reelection.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

200 thousand dead is a mountain

Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc countries rally around leaders in times of crises usually...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc the country rallies around leaders in times of crises ...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit from that solely bc of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,hed be walking into reelection from that solely because of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,he’d be walking into reelection.
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100 thousand is a mountain. Two million is a mountain. There were "expert" predictions of over two million deaths in the U.S. if the virus was not handled. I wasn't referring to the numbers mountain.

Several of the other countries had worse death ratios than the U.S., yet their leaders saw a bump in approval ratings. Interesting.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

100 thousand is a mountain. Two million is a mountain. There were "expert" predictions of over two million deaths in the U.S. if the virus was not handled. I wasn't referring to the numbers mountain.

Several of the other countries had worse death ratios than the U.S., yet their leaders saw a bump in approval ratings. Interesting.

Sure that’s where we might have gone if everyone ignored the science and there was no shutdown whatsoever. There are also expert opinions on how many lives might have been saved with early and more drastic nationally driven and supported measures, but those lives aren’t important as long as Trump perceives a political win of some sort, the irony is his handling turned into his political nightmare.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Sure that’s where we might have gone if everyone ignored the science and there was no shutdown whatsoever. There are also expert opinions on how many lives might have been saved with early and more drastic nationally driven and supported measures, but those lives aren’t important as long as Trump perceives a political win of some sort, the irony is his handling turned into his political nightmare.

I keep hearing about earlier actions. When did Trump do what was in his power to do? Did he just wait a while when he supposedly knew the nature of the disease? Is that the accusation?

And did Trump know more then the WHO? Where did Fauci get his information? From Trump? Was Trump this genius who knew about covid before anybody else? This is all mysterious, but somehow absolutely clear.

As far as it "appears," Trump acted when and how the "experts" told him.