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Old 10-09-2020, 02:35 PM   #1
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Here’s Biden’s easy answer. “They are packing the courts. Have been for four years now. Why? Because their philosophy does not represent the will of the American people. They think they can use the courts to subvert democracy. We believe that is wrong and all legal remedies are on the table”
What subverts democracy from within is the tyranny of the majority and the schemes, lies, and corruptions used to gain that majority. That's why the Founders did not want a democracy and created a constitutional republic.

Our Constitution is the bulwark against that tyranny of the majority. It is the obstacle to the current socialistic charlatans who seek to consolidate control in a system of unlimited government. A system from which there is no escape from the manipulated, corruptly manufactured, "majority" of those who have been seduced by promised schemes, lies, and corruptions, into depending on government.

We are divided now by the conflict between those who want what they think is a benevolent government that will secure their comfort in every aspect of their lives, and those who want to be free from government control of their lives. It is a divide between the desire for Progressive centralized government power and a constitutionally limited government.

The problem with the notion of "the will of the people" arises when the people are foundationally divided. When there is no common principle of government on which to fasten that will, then voting becomes more of an all out ideological war instead of merely a squabble over whether to pay a tax or not or how much. In this ideological war, the minority are forced by government, not choice, to give up their personal precepts of how to live their lives. When there is no prescribed limitation on how much and in what way the government can do that, the government then has unlimited ability to tyrannize its citizens. And in a so-called democracy, such a government merely depends on a fractional percentage of votes, even on one vote if it so happens, to dictate how the minority, nor matter how large, shall, in every instance and every way, live its lives because a majority, no matter how small and how beguiled and deceived by promised government largesse pandering to their baser instincts, have been bribed to vote for it.

The Progressive founders openly said that the Constitution is outdated and an obstacle to government doing what it considers necessary and good. They are the anti-constitutionalists. They are who seek an unlimited centralized government under the pretense of solving all social problems and imposing the most efficient way to ensure a well functioning supposedly egalitarian society.

They have been in a century old battle against our founding system, and have whittled away at its structure, transforming it more and more into a centralized top down system of government and less and less a constitutional system of sovereign states and sovereign individuals. They have changed the meaning of key, fundamental, words in the Constitution enabling them to pass Constitution busting legislation and create a massive record of unconstitutional case law buttressed by stare decisis (as well as changing the meaning of societally defining words and even biological concepts). They have all but eliminated any unalienable right (the vast residuum of rights that were supposed to be retained by the people against those specifically granted to government) that is not enshrined in the Bill of rights, while even weakening those, and openly vowing to actually eliminate some of those while secretly wishing to get rid of the rest. They want to eliminate the Electoral College. And they denigrate U.S. history as one of oppression actually beginning in 1619 with the introduction of slavery, rather than in 1776 and the eventual writing of the Constitution

It is Biden and his Progressive party that have been subverting our Republic and its Constitution (to a great extent through High Court decisions that have been rendered by Progressive instead of constitutional decisions). We are not a democracy. But hoodwinking us into thinking we are, and transforming us into one, is a way of eliminating those limitations of government power imposed by the Constitution, and turning us into the unobstructed form of government in which Biden and the rest of his Progressive cohorts can tell us how free we are to do what they say.
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Old 10-10-2020, 06:29 AM   #2
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What subverts democracy from within is the tyranny of the majority and the schemes, lies, and corruptions used to gain that majority. That's why the Founders did not want a democracy and created a constitutional republic.

Our Constitution is the bulwark against that tyranny of the majority.
Seems your willing to ingnore the current tyranny of the majority but you see them as the minority(Republicans)

Because their Tyranny fits your views , it would have been easier to admit that

Then 6 paragraphs blaming progressives for everything ,

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Old 10-10-2020, 11:10 AM   #3
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Seems your willing to ingnore the current tyranny of the majority but you see them as the minority(Republicans)

Seems your definition of tyranny is metaphoric rather than legal. Under your assumption that current Republican rules and regulations are tyranny, we could assume that requiring drivers to stop at red lights is tyranny.

Because their Tyranny fits your views , it would have been easier to admit that

My view of "tryanny" is unlimited absolute power. So far, the Constitution is written in such a way that, if it is followed, the government is limited to having absolute power in only a few defined "enumerations." But the degradation of Constitutional text that has intentionally been, over time, foisted on it by Progressive Judges has given the federal government an expanding growth in scope and power at the expense of individual or local power, trending toward absolutism. And it is irrefutable that the founders of American Progressivism, on record, claimed that the Constitution should be replaced with a code of unlimited administrative power because the Constitution is an obstacle to government doing what it deems necessary--that government should not be impeded from doing what it wants. That is, the basic tenet of Progressive government is unlimited and absolute government power--tyranny. Of course, they consider Progressivism a beneficent tyranny.

Then 6 paragraphs blaming progressives for everything ,
Like you, I put blame where I think it is deserved.

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