Herd immunity is not a strategy, it is a biological fact

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And for all the anti maskers (not suggesting you are one ) in general next time they have a surgery. please tell your surgeon and his team that you feel masks dont work.. so dont wear any and see what they tell you>>>

It's funny, like everything else, I struggle to make up my mind definitively on masks. Because there are very smart people who say masks work (which is where I lean), and there are very smart people who say they don't work. I feel like I cannot know who is right, I'm not a virologist, or a health care researcher. It's amazing to me that even on something as simple as masks, there is zero consensus. There are peer reviewed studies showing masks do nothing. It's hard for me to believe that they don't help at least a little, and I wear one every time I go out. But there's no consensus...

What works in surgery isn't the same as what works with this virus. It's possible the droplets are too small to be captured with a cloth mask. Again, I'm not taking that position, but there are smart people who do.

I pretty much gave up trying to figure this out, how can you when there is zero consensus among the experts? I don't know enough to feel comfortable saying one side is wrong. SO I go with my gut and wear a mask.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It's funny, like everything else, I struggle to make up my mind definitively on masks. Because there are very smart people who say masks work (which is where I lean), and there are very smart people who say they don't work. I feel like I cannot know who is right, I'm not a virologist, or a health care researcher. It's amazing to me that even on something as simple as masks, there is zero consensus. There are peer reviewed studies showing masks do nothing. It's hard for me to believe that they don't help at least a little, and I wear one every time I go out. But there's no consensus...

What works in surgery isn't the same as what works with this virus. It's possible the droplets are too small to be captured with a cloth mask. Again, I'm not taking that position, but there are smart people who do.

I pretty much gave up trying to figure this out, how can you when there is zero consensus among the experts? I don't know enough to feel comfortable saying one side is wrong. SO I go with my gut and wear a mask.

What works in surgery isn't the same as what works with this viru

there is zero consensus among the experts?

OMG. I bet you think we moved out of the Stone age because we ran out of Rocks.

Unbelievable response to telling a surgeon not wear masks
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

What works in surgery isn't the same as what works with this viru

there is zero consensus among the experts?

OMG. I bet you think we moved out of the Stone age because we ran out of Rocks.

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I'm not telling surgeons not to wear masks.

What I meant was, regarding covid, there is no consensus in the medical community as to whether or not masks work. I have to believe they help. But for every study you'd like to post suggesting masks help with covid, I can post a study showing they don't work.

That's the reality - no consensus on masks. I'm not making that up to prove a political point, as I wear a mask in public 100% of the time. I'm just stating the truth - within the medical and scientific community, there is zero consensus on whether or not masks work.

Again, I wear a mask, so I tend to err on the side of caution and choose to wear one. But there are scientists who say they are useless in the fight against covid.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There are peer reviewed studies showing masks do nothing.

Great, name one.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

Great, name one.

Trumptard polytechnics institute
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Trumptard polytechnics institute
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Conservative evangelical prolife stop caring after they are born #^&#^&#^&#^&em they are on there own superpac foundation
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"Trumptard"

Nice, making fun of people with Downs.

"Conservative evangelical prolife stop caring after they are born "

Except the data shows that's 100% false.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Great, name one.

How many do you want? And make no mistake, I am not saying I agree with his study. I'm saying, I have no way to tell if it's flawed.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...19-experts-say

Asked and answered. Can you show me the same courtesy? Name one meaningful issue, on which you think democrats are wrong. Or admit you're a rabid, blind, thoughtless, partisan.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How many do you want? And make no mistake, I am not saying I agree with his study. I'm saying, I have no way to tell if it's flawed.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...19-experts-say

That study is from early April, we know a lot more about the virus now. Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general. Third, it's doesn't say homemade masks don't help, it just says there's not enough data to claim that they do. As an aside my sister knows the doctor quoted.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That study is from early April, we know a lot more about the virus now. Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general.

see post #258, I can cite as many as you want...and again, I wear a mask because I believe they help. But some smart people disagree.

Spence, people can disagree. The world doesn't have to be all one way or all the other.

And we are all still waiting for one example of an issue on which you disagree with democrats...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks,

.

that's what everyone wears, fabric masks and buffs

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That study is from early April, we know a lot more about the virus now..

Aha! So you'll give the scientists the benefit of a learning curve, but not Trump, who is supposed to listen to the scientists.

You guys are unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Aha! So you'll give the scientists the benefit of a learning curve, but not Trump, who is supposed to listen to the scientists.

You guys are unbelievable.

You forgot...Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general. Third, it's doesn't say homemade masks don't help, it just says there's not enough data to claim that they do.

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You forgot...Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general. Third, it's doesn't say homemade masks don't help, it just says there's not enough data to claim that they do.

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thin masks and gaters, which many people are wearing. it sure what you’re seeing out there.
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