electricians code question

[beamie]

When I had my service panel changed about 15 years ago or so I thought the arc fault breakers were only for bedrooms and the gfi for bath and kitchen Who knows

It wasn’t long after I took out the ark faults and put in regular breakers. Way too many nuisense trips
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[ed morini]

I've gone back and done some reading concerning the issue of afci and gfci and found nothing but complaints about "nuisance" tripping and how the units do not work. I have to amend my own thinking that to afci/cfic would be code compliant, learning that the AFCI breaker (in panel) protects the wiring from the pane to the outlet. It would also be problematic to have a AFCI breaker and an AFCI/GFCI as the result would be super sensitive.
I too an doing my kitchen over and will install the breakers as per code, but if I have the numerous problems that others have encountered I will remove them and keep them at the panel for reinsertion if required.

I say this very reluctantly, but from what I see, the units themselves need to be seriously improved. All the negative reports from both pros and homeowners can't be all wrong.

I realize that my decision (and that extends to me alone) is contrary to the code, but if the units do not perform as needed they contribute to the "cry wolf" situation and that's proven disastrously dangerous.

I say comply (I know it costs) otherwise you have no final inspection, and see if they work. Remember though, the kitchen itself must be GFCI protected with some exemptions i.e. refrigerator and lighting etc.

Ed

[spence]

Originally Posted by ed morini

It would also be problematic to have a AFCI breaker and an AFCI/GFCI as the result would be super sensitive.

I had this on my pond outlet at the last house. Not only was it super sensitive sometimes you couldn't just reset both and have it work, you had to play around a bit. Freaking hated that outlet. I'd have to replace it several times a year because ants would build nests in it