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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

iwhich one of us is the the thoughtless ideologue? who is the partisan zealot? On what basis is it not you?
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Certianly not me, I don’t even associate as a liberal.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Certianly not me, I don’t even associate as a liberal.

then for the 51st time, please tell us which big issues, you think liberals are 100% wrong on. if there are t any, that means you’re the exact mirror image of sean hannity, which is obviously exactly what you are.

make me wrong. tell me which issues you agree with conservatives in. tell us which right wing presidents you voted for ( i voted for bill clinton twice, and to this day i think he was a pretty good potus).

All you have to do, is pick one major issue.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

then for the 51st time, please tell us which big issues, you think liberals are 100% wrong on. if there are t any, that means you’re the exact mirror image of sean hannity, which is obviously exactly what you are.

make me wrong. tell me which issues you agree with conservatives in. tell us which right wing presidents you voted for ( i voted for bill clinton twice, and to this day i think he was a pretty good potus).

All you have to do, is pick one major issue.
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Well personally getting stuck in the conservative playbook in today’s US ever changing mixed ethnicity, the yearly onslaught of global viruses, the global issues of climate change and the lessons learned by our attempts to insert our Democratic ways globally, means they are just not thinking down the road at all. The irony is look at how many of these Trump and the current Republican leaders don’t adhere to.

An aversion to rapid change; a belief that tradition and prevailing social norms often contain within them handed-down wisdom; and mistrust of attempts to remake society so that it conforms to an abstract account of what would be just or efficient.

A desire to preserve the political philosophy and rules of government articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, through cultural norms.

A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, using cultural norms and the power of the state.

An embrace of free-market capitalism, and a belief in the legitimacy of market outcomes.

A belief that America is an exceptional nation, a shining city on a hill, whose rightful role is leader of the free world.

A belief that America should export its brand of democracy through force of arms.

The conviction that government should undertake, on behalf of the American polity, grand projects that advance our “national greatness” and ennoble our characters.

An embrace of localism, community and family ties, human scale, and a responsibility to the future.

A belief that America shouldn’t intervene in the affairs of other nations except to defend ourselves from aggression and enforce contracts and treaties.

A desire to return to the way things once were.

Affinity for, identification with, or embrace of Red America’s various cultural cues. (For example, gun ownership, a preference for single-family homes oriented around highways rather than urban enclaves organized around public transit, embrace of country music, disdain for arugula and fancy mustard, etc.)

Disdain for American liberalism, multiculturalism, identity politics, affirmative action, welfare, European-style social policies, and the left and its ideas generally.

A desire to be left alone by government, often coupled with a belief that being left alone is a natural right.

A principled belief in federalism.

The belief that taxes should be lower and government smaller.

The belief that the national debt and deficits put America in peril.

The belief that whenever possible, government budgets should be balanced.

Consciousness of the fallibility of man, and an awareness of the values of skepticism, doubt, and humility.

Realism in foreign policy.

Non-interventionism in foreign policy.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Well personally.........

^^ wow...did you come up with all of that out of your very own little brain?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Well personally getting stuck in the conservative playbook in today’s US ever changing mixed ethnicity, the yearly onslaught of global viruses, the global issues of climate change and the lessons learned by our attempts to insert our Democratic ways globally, means they are just not thinking down the road at all. The irony is look at how many of these Trump and the current Republican leaders don’t adhere to.

An aversion to rapid change; a belief that tradition and prevailing social norms often contain within them handed-down wisdom; and mistrust of attempts to remake society so that it conforms to an abstract account of what would be just or efficient.

A desire to preserve the political philosophy and rules of government articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, through cultural norms.

A belief that it is imperative to preserve traditional morality, as it is articulated in the Bible, using cultural norms and the power of the state.

An embrace of free-market capitalism, and a belief in the legitimacy of market outcomes.

A belief that America is an exceptional nation, a shining city on a hill, whose rightful role is leader of the free world.

A belief that America should export its brand of democracy through force of arms.

The conviction that government should undertake, on behalf of the American polity, grand projects that advance our “national greatness” and ennoble our characters.

An embrace of localism, community and family ties, human scale, and a responsibility to the future.

A belief that America shouldn’t intervene in the affairs of other nations except to defend ourselves from aggression and enforce contracts and treaties.

A desire to return to the way things once were.

Affinity for, identification with, or embrace of Red America’s various cultural cues. (For example, gun ownership, a preference for single-family homes oriented around highways rather than urban enclaves organized around public transit, embrace of country music, disdain for arugula and fancy mustard, etc.)

Disdain for American liberalism, multiculturalism, identity politics, affirmative action, welfare, European-style social policies, and the left and its ideas generally.

A desire to be left alone by government, often coupled with a belief that being left alone is a natural right.

A principled belief in federalism.

The belief that taxes should be lower and government smaller.

The belief that the national debt and deficits put America in peril.

The belief that whenever possible, government budgets should be balanced.

Consciousness of the fallibility of man, and an awareness of the values of skepticism, doubt, and humility.

Realism in foreign policy.

Non-interventionism in foreign policy.

that’s so stupid and fu—ed up, it’s hard to know where to begin.

you don’t think america is exceptional? we don’t stand out i. terms of what we’ve done for the world? can you tell me which country has done more?

i don’t want to adhere to moral
customs “because they’re in the bible.”. i want to adhere to moral
customs which have proven to work, and to avoid moral customs which have proven to be a disaster.

you’re saying it’s flawed to want to abide by the constitution? so any president should
be able to do whatever he wants?

still trying to figure out if you think trump and his fans are war mongers. trump is the opposite.

if you can point me to data which suggests that anything on than the nuclear family is far better for children, and that fatherless homes are a disaster for young children especially boys, all ears.

I’m conservative precisely because i respond to empirical
results. advocate for what has been shown to work, i advocate against that which has been shown to be a catastrophe.


why are americans fleeing blue states and moving to red states?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

that’s so stupid and fu—ed up, it’s hard to know where to begin.

you don’t think america is exceptional? we don’t stand out i. terms of what we’ve done for the world? can you tell me which country has done more?

i don’t want to adhere to moral
customs “because they’re in the bible.”. i want to adhere to moral
customs which have proven to work, and to avoid moral customs which have proven to be a disaster.

you’re saying it’s flawed to want to abide by the constitution? so any president should
be able to do whatever he wants?

still trying to figure out if you think trump and his fans are war mongers. trump is the opposite.

if you can point me to data which suggests that anything on than the nuclear family is far better for children, and that fatherless homes are a disaster for young children especially boys, all ears.

I’m conservative precisely because i respond to empirical
results. advocate for what has been shown to work, i advocate against that which has been shown to be a catastrophe.


why are americans fleeing blue states and moving to red states?
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What’s stupid is you think cherry picking a couple of those that are more American in value and ignoring so much of the rest, which in this world in which we live is antiquated and basically head in the sand thinking. We could start an entire thread discussing that list and I’d have some fun with that one. Live in the past if you like, the future is slapping the world in the face and we all better wake to fu*k up.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

What’s stupid is you think cherry picking a couple of those that are more American in value and ignoring so much of the rest, which in this world in which we live is antiquated and basically head in the sand thinking. We could start an entire thread discussing that list and I’d have some fun with that one. Live in the past if you like, the future is slapping the world in the face and we all better wake to fu*k up.

is the nuclear family an antiquated and head in the sand notion? or is it something that irrefutably adds so
much value and stability, that we should encourage it?

i don’t advocate for things just because they’re new and weird. If they show to be an improvement, that i’ll shout for it at the top of my lungs.

I go where the facts and results take me GS, not where Tachael Maddow tells
me to go.

Are the places that have really embraces this “progress”, out performing places that cling to traditional values? are people
moving from TX and SC to San Francisco and Manhattan? No.

Why aren’t they?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

is the nuclear family an antiquated and head in the sand notion? or is it something that irrefutably adds so
much value and stability, that we should encourage it?

i don’t advocate for things just because they’re new and weird. If they show to be an improvement, that i’ll shout for it at the top of my lungs.

I go where the facts and results take me GS, not where Tachael Maddow tells
me to go.

Are the places that have really embraces this “progress”, out performing places that cling to traditional values? are people
moving from TX and SC to San Francisco and Manhattan? No.

Why aren’t they?
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Like I said cherry pick what most Americans “try” to hold together like family you won’t find an argument from me, I will however argue that a lot of those old conservative valves are antiquated, spin away.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

then for the 51st time, please tell us which big issues, you think liberals are 100% wrong on. if there are t any, that means you’re the exact mirror image of sean hannity, which is obviously exactly what you are.

make me wrong. tell me which issues you agree with conservatives in. tell us which right wing presidents you voted for ( i voted for bill clinton twice, and to this day i think he was a pretty good potus).
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Like I’ve said 50 times, I don’t side with many far left positions, totally open borders, unrestricted access to abortion etc…

Voted for Bush 41 and would have likely voted for McCain had he not went off the deep end mid-campaign. The way the GOP is heading though I don’t foresee it happening anytime soon…Maybe of Romney was the nominee.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Like I’ve said 50 times, I don’t side with many far left positions, totally open borders, unrestricted access to abortion etc…

Voted for Bush 41 and would have likely voted for McCain had he not went off the deep end mid-campaign. The way the GOP is heading though I don’t foresee it happening anytime soon…Maybe of Romney was the nominee.

so you claim not to be liberal, but can’t name one single issue on which you’re not liberal. so what’s the difference between you and a liberal?

“I’m not liberal, i just happen to think they are correct on every single
issue.”

The way the gop is heading, right, right. imagine thinking that the nation might be well off if we acted a bit more like FL ( where people
and businesses are moving in huge numbers) and a bit less like CT, where people
and businesses are leaving in drives.

Why are people and businesses leaving blue states and going to red states.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so you claim not to be liberal, but can’t name one single issue on which you’re not liberal. so what’s the difference between you and a liberal?

“I’m not liberal, i just happen to think they are correct on every single
issue.”

The way the gop is heading, right, right. imagine thinking that the nation might be well off if we acted a bit more like FL ( where people
and businesses are moving in huge numbers) and a bit less like CT, where people
and businesses are leaving in drives.

Why are people and businesses leaving blue states and going to red states.
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You’re obsessed with labels.

A huge reason for the population shift is simply an surge of retirees looking for sunshine.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You’re obsessed with labels.

could care less about labels. i just want to clarify which one of us had the ability to think for themselves, and which one is enslaved to one ideology, with which he is incapable of differing?

I differ with traditional conservative ideology on gay marriage, the death penalty, gun control.

Go ahead. Your turn. I had no trouble stating issues where i lean left. So unless you’re not only a liberal but a devout liberal, there must be some cornerstone liberal issues on which you side with conservatives?

You won’t name one, because there isn’t one. you agree with the left on every single major issue, and no one on this planet thinks you considered John McCain over Barack Obama.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You won’t name one, because there isn’t one. you agree with the left on every single major issue, and no one on this planet thinks you considered John McCain over Barack Obama.
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Peace through strength comes to mind but even that has limits.

As for McCain, I know I posted about my early support for him here at least once.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

cno one on this planet thinks you considered John McCain over Barack Obama.
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I do.
But I was fishing with and chatting with Jeff a bunch back then. Block Island Jeff is more complicated than you think, especially since he was raised as a corn fed Iowa kid....

(Oh, and to play your game, I think the left is wrong on the death penalty, especially for first degree cases cases with DNA evidence/cop killed/kid killed, among other things)

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

A huge reason for the population shift is simply an surge of retirees looking for sunshine.

right, right!!!! So why arent they moving to southern California? Please, please explain?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

right, right!!!! So why arent they moving to southern California? Please, please explain?
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Different reasons. Taxes are one of them but remember Florida generates a huge amount of revenue from sales and excise taxes which are fueled by its main industry, tourism. This allows the state to avoid income tax. in terms of general affordability Florida is actually a pretty expensive state to live in.

Once again, you’re oversimplifying issues.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by spence

You’re obsessed with labels.

A huge reason for the population shift is simply an surge of retirees looking for sunshine.

Logic to a guy with his needle stuck will just fuel his fire.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Logic to a guy with his needle stuck will just fuel his fire.
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when liberals lob baseless insults, it means i’ve won.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Logic to a guy with his needle stuck will just fuel his fire.
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it’s “logical” to deny we bungled the last few days in afghanistan. it’s “logical” to deny that people
and companies are moving away from blue states and to red states, for reasons other than weather. it’s logical to claim that men are women, and it’s logical to deny that fatherless is the worst problem facing blacks, it’s logical
to say police are what’s wrong with our cities, logical for bankrupt states to raise taxes and spend more.

i’m not saying conservatives aren’t illogical at times. but jeez….
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