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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so you claim not to be liberal, but can’t name one single issue on which you’re not liberal. so what’s the difference between you and a liberal?

“I’m not liberal, i just happen to think they are correct on every single
issue.”

The way the gop is heading, right, right. imagine thinking that the nation might be well off if we acted a bit more like FL ( where people
and businesses are moving in huge numbers) and a bit less like CT, where people
and businesses are leaving in drives.

Why are people and businesses leaving blue states and going to red states.
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You’re obsessed with labels.

A huge reason for the population shift is simply an surge of retirees looking for sunshine.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You’re obsessed with labels.

could care less about labels. i just want to clarify which one of us had the ability to think for themselves, and which one is enslaved to one ideology, with which he is incapable of differing?

I differ with traditional conservative ideology on gay marriage, the death penalty, gun control.

Go ahead. Your turn. I had no trouble stating issues where i lean left. So unless you’re not only a liberal but a devout liberal, there must be some cornerstone liberal issues on which you side with conservatives?

You won’t name one, because there isn’t one. you agree with the left on every single major issue, and no one on this planet thinks you considered John McCain over Barack Obama.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You won’t name one, because there isn’t one. you agree with the left on every single major issue, and no one on this planet thinks you considered John McCain over Barack Obama.
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Peace through strength comes to mind but even that has limits.

As for McCain, I know I posted about my early support for him here at least once.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Peace through strength comes to mind but even that has limits.

As for McCain, I know I posted about my early support for him here at least once.

ok, so by your own admission, and to the surprise of exactly no one, you conceded that there is t a meaningful issue in which you disagree with liberals. In terms of the issues, you are identical
to a pure liberal.

i know plenty of people who are 100% pure on one side or the other. But you should probably stop criticizing people
who you think are nothing but regurgitators of right wing talking points. because you’re the exact, precise mirror image.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

cno one on this planet thinks you considered John McCain over Barack Obama.
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I do.
But I was fishing with and chatting with Jeff a bunch back then. Block Island Jeff is more complicated than you think, especially since he was raised as a corn fed Iowa kid....

(Oh, and to play your game, I think the left is wrong on the death penalty, especially for first degree cases cases with DNA evidence/cop killed/kid killed, among other things)

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I do.
But I was fishing with and chatting with Jeff a bunch back then. Block Island Jeff is more complicated than you think, especially since he was raised as a corn fed Iowa kid....

(Oh, and to play your game, I think the left is wrong on the death penalty, especially for first degree cases cases with DNA evidence/cop killed/kid killed, among other things)

i wasn’t talking to you, i have said on multiple occasions you are thoughtful and sharp. i specified spence, pete, wdmso. fair enough? I named specific names, and there’s. reason you weren’t on it.

if i can predict exactly what spence is going to say on every single issue before he chimes in, he’s not complicated. I don’t doubt he’s a really good person, i’m confident he’d never mistreat anyone. but politically, he’s as complicated as a parrot.

And i didn’t start this game. the lefties, when presented with valid arguments that they couldnt refute, fall back on the position that were all just regurgitating faux news talking points. an ironic accusation from a group ( that you’re not in) who doesn’t have an original thought among them.


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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

A huge reason for the population shift is simply an surge of retirees looking for sunshine.

right, right!!!! So why arent they moving to southern California? Please, please explain?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

right, right!!!! So why arent they moving to southern California? Please, please explain?
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Different reasons. Taxes are one of them but remember Florida generates a huge amount of revenue from sales and excise taxes which are fueled by its main industry, tourism. This allows the state to avoid income tax. in terms of general affordability Florida is actually a pretty expensive state to live in.

Once again, you’re oversimplifying issues.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Different reasons. Taxes are one of them but remember Florida generates a huge amount of revenue from sales and excise taxes which are fueled by its main industry, tourism. This allows the state to avoid income tax. in terms of general affordability Florida is actually a pretty expensive state to live in.

Once again, you’re oversimplifying issues.

TN also generates its state revenue from a hefty sales tax. And it’s a state that huge numbers of people
are flocking to. people
like that idea.

“FL is actually a pretty expensive state to live in.”

right, which is why no retirees move there.

i’m not simplifying anything. you’re deflecting and dodging everything that paints conservatism in a favorable light. NC and TX have more than tourism, but they are well run red states that can’t build
houses fast enough.

If CTs economy was thriving and people and businesses were flocking here, i’d concede that liberalism was onto something. but the states that are a mess are disproportionately blue, and the states that are booming are disproportionately red. I’m curious to know what the reason is, to see what we can learn from it. You are scared sh-tess to know what the reason is. because you can’t process it accept that which doesn’t support liberalism. I’ll happily go where the empirical data leads me. You deny everything which doesn’t paint liberalism favorably.

TN and NH don’t have disneyworld, yet they also avoid an income tax. you don’t need tourism to avoid an income tax. you need the willingness to say “ no” when public labor unions ask for unreasonable money. that’s all.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by spence

You’re obsessed with labels.

A huge reason for the population shift is simply an surge of retirees looking for sunshine.

Logic to a guy with his needle stuck will just fuel his fire.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Logic to a guy with his needle stuck will just fuel his fire.
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when liberals lob baseless insults, it means i’ve won.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

when liberals lob baseless insults, it means i’ve won.
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No it just means we like to wind you up and watch you spin.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

No it just means we like to wind you up and watch you spin.

yeah you have me in knots all right.

Meanwhile president Biden’s approval ratings keep dropping, and people are continuing to flee blue states for red states. but i do t have a logical case to make that he bungled Afghanistan, nor can i make a case that people are making a statement when they move across the country in huge numbers.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

when liberals lob baseless insults, it means i’ve won.
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Don’t worry — the first 40 years of childhood are always the hardest.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Logic to a guy with his needle stuck will just fuel his fire.
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it’s “logical” to deny we bungled the last few days in afghanistan. it’s “logical” to deny that people
and companies are moving away from blue states and to red states, for reasons other than weather. it’s logical to claim that men are women, and it’s logical to deny that fatherless is the worst problem facing blacks, it’s logical
to say police are what’s wrong with our cities, logical for bankrupt states to raise taxes and spend more.

i’m not saying conservatives aren’t illogical at times. but jeez….
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