Critical Race Theory

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You never said……..
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where in there, did i say blacks are only good for sports?

i’ll ask you another simple question which you’ll
dodge.

if blacks had tight knit families and embraced their
kids’ education and work ethic like asians, do you not think blacks would do as well as asians? if not, why not?

i’m saying any group, regardless of race, who makes the wrong decisions, will struggle. any group who makes the right decisions, regardless of race, will do fine.

the data is clear, blacks ( for whatever reason) aren’t making the productive decisions as frequently as other races. That’s why they aren’t thriving to the same degree as other races.

if it’s racism, how come black immigrants are doing so
much better the. american born blacks? how could you possibly explain that?

i’m friendly with the family that runs the shell station in my town, i go
i’m the convenience store a lot. they came from africa with nothing, mother father and two
kids who are now in college. he was the first person i ever heard say, that his kids ( being black) were better off being born in africa and coming here as immigrants, than if they were born here. there’s some american cultural force that is pushing blacks to make unproductive decisions. liberalism is absolutely a part of it.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’m saying any group, regardless of race, who makes the wrong decisions, will struggle. any group who makes the right decisions, regardless of race, will do fine.

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Bingo
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT;1216607

if blacks had tight knit families and embraced their
kids’ education and work ethic like asians, do you not think blacks would do as well as asians?

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Another statement for the history books

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...ans-and-blacks

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...ans-and-blacks


https://www.brookings.edu/research/a...eneralization/


You’ve been radicalized to believe Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.

Jim you have been completely indoctrinated by the right wing

You regurgitation of these talking points over and over . Is clear evidence … you’re down the rabbit hole .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Another statement for the history books

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...ans-and-blacks

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...ans-and-blacks


https://www.brookings.edu/research/a...eneralization/


You’ve been radicalized to believe Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.

Jim you have been completely indoctrinated by the right wing

You regurgitation of these talking points over and over . Is clear evidence … you’re down the rabbit hole .
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more than 70% of black kids are born without a dad in the home.

is that a fact? or have i been indoctrinated?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Another statement for the history books

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...ans-and-blacks

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...ans-and-blacks


https://www.brookings.edu/research/a...eneralization/


You’ve been radicalized to believe Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.

Jim you have been completely indoctrinated by the right wing

You regurgitation of these talking points over and over . Is clear evidence … you’re down the rabbit hole .
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"You’ve been radicalized to believe Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan."

Democrats weren't the party of slavery and segregation? Then who was? The Whigs? The Tories?

"They admire Mussolini and Hitler"

I obviously never said anything like that...

"Jim you have been completely indoctrinated by the right wing "

Yet I can list major issues on which I think conservatives are 100% wrong and liberals are 100% right. Show me that you're not the radical, indoctrinate done. Go ahead, tell us which major policy issues, you think liberals are 100% wrong on, and conservatives are 100% correct on.

If you can't list any, I'm pretty sure that means you're the radical, and I'm the moderate. You can't criticize liberals in favor of a conservative, ever. But you're not radical or indoctrinated?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Another statement for the history books

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...ans-and-blacks

'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...ans-and-blacks


https://www.brookings.edu/research/a...eneralization/


You’ve been radicalized to believe Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.

Jim you have been completely indoctrinated by the right wing

You regurgitation of these talking points over and over . Is clear evidence … you’re down the rabbit hole .
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From one of your links...

"It is certainly true that treated as a whole group, Asian-Americans appear to be doing well. Relative to other racial and ethnic minorities, they live in wealthier neighborhoods, have high marriage rates, high levels of educational achievement, and are successful in the labor market."

Proving me 100% correct.

"Asian-Americans are more likely to believe that academic achievement results from greater effort, rather than greater skill. This belief can in fact explain a large part of the superior academic outcomes for Asian-Americans, according to some studies. Believing that hard work pays off, Asian-American students work harder—and, for them, it pays off."

Also proving me 100% correct.

Did you not read these?

"Asian-Americans live near better schools. This explanation for higher achievement is of course a rather boring one, compared to appeals to culture. But it suggests that policymakers would do better to promote higher-performing schools than worry too much about promoting “Asian values.”

Idiotic (its not random that asians live near better schools, it's because they are wealthy), but even if you assume that's valid, its a great argument for school choice. Which party supports school choice, and which party opposes school choice, Wayne?

"But there are wide differences between different Asian-American groups. Many are struggling economically;"

Obviously true. No one ever said all asians are identical. We're making broad generalizations here. Not all blacks are identical, not all whites are identical.

"The Asian groups faring poorly are those living in areas with poorer quality schools—similar, in fact, to those in which African Americans live"

Again, a superb argument in favor of school choice.

Wayne, you think any of that proves me wrong somehow?

If you stay in school, work hard, don't have kids until you are married, then regardless of race, it's very very unlikely you will be poor.

If you don't like that fact, that's your problem. If racism was a big deal, the data would show that blacks don't escape poverty when they follow those rules. But the data is clear, blacks enjoy similar benefits when they make productive decisions. That doesn't mean there's zero racism, but it's not a big deal.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

From one of your links...

"It is certainly true that treated as a whole group, Asian-Americans appear to be doing well. Relative to other racial and ethnic minorities, they live in wealthier neighborhoods, have high marriage rates, high levels of educational achievement, and are successful in the labor market."

Proving me 100% correct.

"Asian-Americans are more likely to believe that academic achievement results from greater effort, rather than greater skill. This belief can in fact explain a large part of the superior academic outcomes for Asian-Americans, according to some studies. Believing that hard work pays off, Asian-American students work harder—and, for them, it pays off."

Also proving me 100% correct.

Did you not read these?

"Asian-Americans live near better schools. This explanation for higher achievement is of course a rather boring one, compared to appeals to culture. But it suggests that policymakers would do better to promote higher-performing schools than worry too much about promoting “Asian values.”

Idiotic (its not random that asians live near better schools, it's because they are wealthy), but even if you assume that's valid, its a great argument for school choice. Which party supports school choice, and which party opposes school choice, Wayne?

"But there are wide differences between different Asian-American groups. Many are struggling economically;"

Obviously true. No one ever said all asians are identical. We're making broad generalizations here. Not all blacks are identical, not all whites are identical.

"The Asian groups faring poorly are those living in areas with poorer quality schools—similar, in fact, to those in which African Americans live"

Again, a superb argument in favor of school choice.

Wayne, you think any of that proves me wrong somehow?

If you stay in school, work hard, don't have kids until you are married, then regardless of race, it's very very unlikely you will be poor.

If you don't like that fact, that's your problem. If racism was a big deal, the data would show that blacks don't escape poverty when they follow those rules. But the data is clear, blacks enjoy similar benefits when they make productive decisions. That doesn't mean there's zero racism, but it's not a big deal.

If you stay in school, work hard, don't have kids until you are married, then regardless of race, it's very very unlikely you will be poor.

That’s great but nothing close to what you’ve posted ..,

Maybe you should have just started and finished with that
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

If you stay in school, work hard, don't have kids until you are married, then regardless of race, it's very very unlikely you will be poor.

That’s great but nothing close to what you’ve posted ..,

Maybe you should have just started and finished with that
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i pretty much did. you missed it, because you had decided beforehand that i was wrong because i’m not a liberal.
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1216652]i pretty much did. you missed it, because you had decided beforehand that i was wrong because i’m not a liberal.
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Simplistic racial categories can also provide fuel for racial stereotypes. One of the strongest is the idealization of Asian-Americans as a “model minority”—hard working, studious, committed to family, and so on. There are a number of problems with this characterization.

Jim I just think you have simplistic solutions to complex problems
And having black be like Asians is one of them .

I don’t think anyone here wants any race or ethnicity to fail , however we can’t just buy nto the myth that in America everyone starts at the 20 yard line .
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[scottw]

[QUOTE=wdmso;1216662]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

however we can’t just buy nto the myth that in America everyone starts at the 20 yard line .

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it's a "historical fact" that everyone does not start at the 20 yard line....it's also a fact that it will never be the case...but great job arguing against something that no one ever said again

[Pete F.]

The rhetoric and propaganda about critical race theory is bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. I might have said the same thing 5-7 yrs ago, but then I opened my eyes and listened to black Americans. What the right paints as critical race theory is nothing but a long overdue course correction in how we teach American history. It’s time for white America to listen for a change.

Telling the truth about history is not racist. Watering down and white washing history making this country look like saints (when we are FAR from it) is racist.

MURIIICAAA at it’s finest

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The rhetoric and propaganda about critical race theory is bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. I might have said the same thing 5-7 yrs ago, but then I opened my eyes and listened to black Americans. What the right paints as critical race theory is nothing but a long overdue course correction in how we teach American history. It’s time for white America to listen for a change.

Telling the truth about history is not racist. Watering down and white washing history making this country look like saints (when we are FAR from it) is racist.

MURIIICAAA at it’s finest

you really need help....

funny...I see a remarkable number of very informed people of color that have serious issues with CRT...they probably don't count

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

you really need help....

funny...I see a remarkable number of very informed people of color that have serious issues with CRT...they probably don't count

The threat to American democracy has increased exponentially over the past five years or so when mediocre people of meager talents realized they would never have to work a straight job again as long as they could terrify a nation of right-wing nitwits about the end of "Real America."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I opened my eyes and listened to black Americans . . . It’s time for white America to listen for a change.

MURIIICAAA at it’s finest