Durham report

[Pete F.]

Lots of verbiage doesn’t change this
the DOJ did not determine that leadership or the FISA court would have reached a different decision had they known all relevant information, and did not find that the conduct affected the overall validity of the applications.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Lots of verbiage doesn’t change this
the DOJ did not determine that leadership or the FISA court would have reached a different decision had they known all relevant information, and did not find that the conduct affected the overall validity of the applications.
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And that the Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee found the surveillance to be justified.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Lots of verbiage doesn’t change this
the DOJ did not determine that leadership or the FISA court would have reached a different decision had they known all relevant information, and did not find that the conduct affected the overall validity of the applications.
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Your above verbiage of "facts" is a 2019 version. Different facts (such as Wray's agreeing that Carter was illegally surveiled) have been uncovered since then. And more are being uncovered by Durham.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Your above verbiage of "facts" is a 2019 version. Different facts (such as Wray's agreeing that Carter was illegally surveiled) have been uncovered since then. And more are being uncovered by Durham.

but the 2019 view paints the democrats in the most favorable light, so we prefer to stick with that.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Your above verbiage of "facts" is a 2019 version. Different facts (such as Wray's agreeing that Carter was illegally surveiled) have been uncovered since then. And more are being uncovered by Durham.

So far Durham has not amounted to #^&#^&#^&#^&.

After years he has come up with a couple of indictments focused on peripheral characters flubbing details that would not have altered the main focus of the Russia investigation.

Congress referred two of Trump’s sons, his top political adviser, one of his top national security advisers, and one of his top campaign officials to DOJ for criminal prosecution for perjury and making false statements under 18 USC §1001.

And the DOJ? Under Trump Attorney General Bill Barr’s watchful eye, ignored all of these referrals.

Congress had evidence that Hope Hicks, Trump’s closest aide, had also lied. There was evidence of lies from Trump lawyer Michael Cohen—who later revealed he’d been instructed to lie by Trump lawyers—and even Trump himself, who gave written answers to Mueller.

The DOJ did nothing.

When the DOJ did act, longtime Trump friend and adviser Roger Stone received major criminal convictions—which Trump immediately annulled via commutation and pardon.

Convictions for lying by 2016 Trump campaign manager and thirty-year acquaintance Paul Manafort—who was under contract with a Kremlin agent to advance Vladimir Putin’s interests in the U.S. when he secretly delivered proprietary targeting data to Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign? These too were soon obliterated by a Trump pardon. Did Jared Kushner need some rewarding for lying to Congress and Mueller on his father-in-law’s behalf? Sure he did—so Trump pardoned Kushner’s dad, Charles.

All the while the Trump DOJ sat by, lied to by everyone in the Trump's entourage and without any consequence whatsoever. It took no action to protect the rule of law.

But there was one exception to all of this prosecutorial ignorance, with Trump breathing down Barr’s neck he installed Durham as a Special Counsel to hold Trump’s enemies to account in a way that no ally of Trump ever had been.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So far Durham has not amounted to #^&#^&#^&#^&.

After years he has come up with a couple of indictments focused on peripheral characters flubbing details that would not have altered the main focus of the Russia investigation.

Congress referred two of Trump’s sons, his top political adviser, one of his top national security advisers, and one of his top campaign officials to DOJ for criminal prosecution for perjury and making false statements under 18 USC §1001.

And the DOJ? Under Trump Attorney General Bill Barr’s watchful eye, ignored all of these referrals.

Congress had evidence that Hope Hicks, Trump’s closest aide, had also lied. There was evidence of lies from Trump lawyer Michael Cohen—who later revealed he’d been instructed to lie by Trump lawyers—and even Trump himself, who gave written answers to Mueller.

The DOJ did nothing.

When the DOJ did act, longtime Trump friend and adviser Roger Stone received major criminal convictions—which Trump immediately annulled via commutation and pardon.

Convictions for lying by 2016 Trump campaign manager and thirty-year acquaintance Paul Manafort—who was under contract with a Kremlin agent to advance Vladimir Putin’s interests in the U.S. when he secretly delivered proprietary targeting data to Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign? These too were soon obliterated by a Trump pardon. Did Jared Kushner need some rewarding for lying to Congress and Mueller on his father-in-law’s behalf? Sure he did—so Trump pardoned Kushner’s dad, Charles.

All the while the Trump DOJ sat by, lied to by everyone in the Trump's entourage and without any consequence whatsoever. It took no action to protect the rule of law.

But there was one exception to all of this prosecutorial ignorance, with Trump breathing down Barr’s neck he installed Durham as a Special Counsel to hold Trump’s enemies to account in a way that no ally of Trump ever had been.

You always have to change everything into being about Trump. I was talking about what the FBI did to Carter Page. You are frantically worried about what someone who is not that much longer for this earth being a danger to "democracy." But, so long as it might somehow, no matter how minimally, damage your need to totally eradicate Trump, it's no concern for you that an entrenched agency within "our democracy" that will be around way longer than Trump, and has a checkered history of politicization, lying, and bullying American citizens, can chip away at our constitutional and civil liberties.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You always have to change everything into being about Trump. I was talking about what the FBI did to Carter Page. You are frantically worried about what someone who is not that much longer for this earth being a danger to "democracy." But, so long as it might somehow, no matter how minimally, damage your need to totally eradicate Trump, it's no concern for you that an entrenched agency within "our democracy" that will be around way longer than Trump, and has a checkered history of politicization, lying, and bullying American citizens, can chip away at our constitutional and civil liberties.

Sorry but Durham has quite literally done what was done to Carter Page to Danchenko, after Barr’s DOJ ignored the same crimes committed by the Trump administration and his toadies.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sorry but Durham has quite literally done what was done to Carter Page to Danchenko, after Barr’s DOJ ignored the same crimes committed by the Trump administration and his toadies.
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So you disapprove of what was done to Carter Page?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So you disapprove of what was done to Carter Page?

I would much rather see an IG conduct percentage inspections for compliance of FISA applications than the current political game of gotcha.