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[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

[B]

Ashley Babbit was unarmed,

. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber...

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would you say this "force" was more like Delta Force or Space Force?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I too am amazed at the restraint of the officers that day. She was a crazy woman.

I guess in future at "mostly peaceful protests" and riots it will be ok if the police bust out the live rounds and take down any un-armed protesters that get out of hand and start damaging stuff.....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and whose life was in immediate danger if she breached the chamber?

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you know that if she was protesting/rioting for a leftist cause these guys would be losing their minds over her senseless murder and condemning the police

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by scottw

I guess in future at "mostly peaceful protests" and riots it will be ok if the police bust out the live rounds and take down any un-armed protesters that get out of hand and start damaging stuff.....

You are better than this, aren't you?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

You are better than this, aren't you?

I saw some...actually... a lot ....of very violent attacks on police and military members the summer prior and they didn't fire any bullets

this was an unarmed woman, and maybe she was mentally unstable, but I thought that was a reason not to shoot someone, particularly if they are unarmed

I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing....

[nightfighter]

This is worth watching. Frontline Season 2021 episode 7 American insurrection.


https://www.pbs.org/video/american-insurrection-ozor8y/

While I clearly saw the bias from the get-go, I feel it connects the dots enough to assign blame for the abject results of Jan 6. The justification of violence by these militias and far right factions are painting some of you in this discussion with the same broad stoke.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by scottw

would you say this "force" was more like Delta Force or Space Force?

You're a dope....and a gaslighter. The force that overran the Capitol Police, whose job it is to protect and defend the Capitol and members of Congress.

[scottw]

[QUOTE=nightfighter;1220079

....and a gaslighter.

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this is already WAY overused....

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by JohnR

But Jan 6th was a Mostly Peaceful Protest.

What????? Seriously?

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is already WAY overused....

Agreed. As are the arguments and justifications for actions we are discussing in these recent pages.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

[B]

.. I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.

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how many do you think you could take out?

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by scottw

I saw some...actually... a lot ....of very violent attacks on police and military members the summer prior and they didn't fire any bullets

this was an unarmed woman, and maybe she was mentally unstable, but I thought that was a reason not to shoot someone, particularly if they are unarmed

I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing....

I just find it interesting how you are backing away, or quantifying
a statement made by Jim, that I took issue with...
She put herself in the line of fire. How many thousands of miles did she travel from her home? Her right to peaceful protest ended when she, as a member of the group, proceeded past police barriers, up the step, and breached the Capitol. She put herself there. What is so amazing about my response??? She asked for it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I just find it interesting how you are backing away,



She asked for it.

from what?

"I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing...."

I wouldn't say she asked for it, she certainly put herself in harms way...she was the only one shot that day...no question as to why only one officer fired a bullet that day despite all of the violence apparently going on particularly as you've said you'd have just opened fire?


you also dragged out the story about a car incident as if that's relevant? Ted Kennedy had a little car incident and still ran for president afterward

[nightfighter]

The officer did not have the benefit of her past history when he had to make his decision to pull the trigger.

I did have Ted's past history when I chose not to vote for him.

Connecting those two is a stretch... Only common denominator I can see is that we have the benefit of 20/20 vision when looking at their personal histories... and that both are dead.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

The officer did not have the benefit of her past history when he had to make his decision to pull the trigger.

I did have Ted's past history when I chose not to vote for him.

Connecting those two is a stretch... Only common denominator I can see is that we have the benefit of 20/20 vision when looking at their personal histories... and that both are dead.

What imminent lethal threat did she pose at the moment she was shot, that could possibly justify deadly force?

Those morons deserved to be punished, the same way all rioters/trespassers are punished. No more, no less.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

What????? Seriously?

The January 6 rioters killed exactly zero people.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

The officer did not have the benefit of her past history when he had to make his decision to pull the trigger.

this is correct...you brought it up for some reason

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What imminent lethal threat did she pose at the moment she was shot, that could possibly justify deadly force?

weren't we told repeatedly afterward(I know I got a letter from the superintendent from my kids school telling be that if this had been blm marching through the capitol the police would have opened fire because they are police and therefore racist)....assuming they would be the same police protecting the capitol we are either supposed to laude them as heroes for restraint and surviving what they endured and not criticize any or one of them for firing a bullet and killing someone who "deserved it"....... or label them would-be racist killers who would have surely opened fire if they saw different skin color on the rioters...

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The January 6 rioters killed exactly zero people.

Ross saw it was NOT mostly peaceful, which is why he reacted to John’s post. I had the same gut reaction, but I wasn’t sure if John actually believed that to be true or the post was sarcastic. Sorry anyone thinking that was mostly peaceful is blind, never saw a single video released or want to white wash it away like many on the right are attempting to do. Carry on with, as others have so accurately described this forum, the endless circle jerk.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The January 6 rioters killed exactly zero people.

Police ended up dying and committing suicide shortly thereafter.

Lot's of people get charged w/murder when they participate in crimes even if they didn't pull the trigger.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Ross saw it was NOT mostly peaceful, which is why he reacted to John’s post. I had the same gut reaction, but I wasn’t sure if John actually believed that to be true or the post was sarcastic. Sorry anyone thinking that was mostly peaceful is blind, never saw a single video released or want to white wash it away like many on the right are attempting to do. Carry on with, as others have so accurately described this forum, the endless circle jerk.

John said the "protest," not the riot, was mostly peaceful. There were 30 thousand "protesters" there on Jan6. It was, by far, by numbers, a mostly peaceful protest.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by scottw

weren't we told repeatedly afterward(I know I got a letter from the superintendent from my kids school telling be that if this had been blm marching through the capitol the police would have opened fire because they are police and therefore racist)....assuming they would be the same police protecting the capitol we are either supposed to laude them as heroes for restraint and surviving what they endured and not criticize any or one of them for firing a bullet and killing someone who "deserved it"....... or label them would-be racist killers who would have surely opened fire if they saw different skin color on the rioters...

DON'T play the reverse race card on this.... That is low. The whole issue is low enough given its political nature of cause and effect.

DO play the S-B Powerball pool...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Ross saw it was NOT mostly peaceful, which is why he reacted to John’s post. I had the same gut reaction, but I wasn’t sure if John actually believed that to be true or the post was sarcastic. Sorry anyone thinking that was mostly peaceful is blind, never saw a single video released or want to white wash it away like many on the right are attempting to do. Carry on with, as others have so accurately described this forum, the endless circle jerk.

John probably applied the same litmus test they used to describe the "Summer of Love" protests as "Mostly Peaceful"
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

John said the "protest," not the riot, was mostly peaceful. There were 30 thousand "protesters" there on Jan6. It was, by far, by numbers, a mostly peaceful protest.

Yup like I said, that is the whitewashing going on.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Yup like I said, that is the whitewashing going on.

Would it be truthful to label the vast, vast, majority of the thirty thousand protesters as violent insurrectionists, seditionists, threats to democracy, malicious attackers of police and destroyers of federal property, etc.?

If it was proper to refer to the destructive riots that occurred throughout the past two years as mostly peaceful (presumably because most of the protesters didn't participate in the rioting), then there is no so-called whitewashing to say that Jan6 was mostly peaceful.

And, anyway, John may have also been throwing some sarc back at how those protests were referred to as "mostly peaceful."

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

DON'T play the reverse race card on this.... That is low.

DO play the S-B Powerball pool...

that's what was said, almost immediately...I didn't say it....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Would it be truthful to label the vast, vast, majority of the thirty thousand protesters as violent insurrectionists, seditionists, threats to democracy, malicious attackers of police and destroyers of federal property, etc.?

not many of "the forces" have been charged with trying to overthrow the country either....you'd think that would be a layup....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

John probably applied the same litmus test they used to describe the "Summer of Love" protests as "Mostly Peaceful"
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do you think Maga Force has anything planned for the anniversary? I heard biden is going to try to read the teleprompter again...this should be fun....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Ross saw it was NOT mostly peaceful, which is why he reacted to John’s post. I had the same gut reaction, but I wasn’t sure if John actually believed that to be true or the post was sarcastic. Sorry anyone thinking that was mostly peaceful is blind, never saw a single video released or want to white wash it away like many on the right are attempting to do. Carry on with, as others have so accurately described this forum, the endless circle jerk.

but the summer 2020 riots which resulted in many deaths and way more property damage, those were mostly peaceful. you have no problem with that description.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Police ended up dying and committing suicide shortly thereafter.

Lot's of people get charged w/murder when they participate in crimes even if they didn't pull the trigger.

one died of natural causes. natural causes.

i am aware that more than some committed suicide after. i’m not aware of their psychological
records, i presume you aren’t either so we don’t know why. but if they committed suicide because of trespassers, then we need stricter requirements for who qualifies for federal law enforcement.
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