national murder rate highest in 25 years

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“I saw it on the computer” doesn’t come close to making it true
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that’s pretty rich, coming from the guy known for posting long essays he found on then internet.

I mean, did you intend that to be funny?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

that’s pretty rich, coming from the guy known for posting long essays he found on then internet.

I mean, did you intend that to be funny?
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You think this is serious, that’s funny, sorta like these people

Tucker Carlson is upset that an M&M got new shoes

Ted Cruz was upset Big Bird encouraged kids to get vaxxed

Matt Schlapp was upset there’s now an Asian American Sesame St muppet

They were upset about Mr Potato Head & Dr Seuss

But a terrorist attack on our Capitol? No big deal
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You think this is serious, that’s funny, sorta like these people

Tucker Carlson is upset that an M&M got new shoes

Ted Cruz was upset Big Bird encouraged kids to get vaxxed

Matt Schlapp was upset there’s now an Asian American Sesame St muppet

They were upset about Mr Potato Head & Dr Seuss

But a terrorist attack on our Capitol? No big deal
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pete, you were known as repeat, because of your tendency to cut and paste massive essays from the internet. you can’t deny you have a habit of doing that

then you say “just because you saw it on the internet, doesn’t make it true”.

you see no irony there? really?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You think this is serious, that’s funny, sorta like these people

Tucker Carlson is upset that an M&M got new shoes

Ted Cruz was upset Big Bird encouraged kids to get vaxxed

Matt Schlapp was upset there’s now an Asian American Sesame St muppet

They were upset about Mr Potato Head & Dr Seuss

But a terrorist attack on our Capitol? No big deal
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Selective outrage for the snowflakes.
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[wdmso]

I love the C&P argument .. as if the information presented is somehow irrelevante
because the person who Posted it didn't write it .. not sure why youtube videos here are not looked at in the same negative Light ?

here's a C&P you'll support ..

Florida’s Senate Education committee approved a new bill supported by Florida governor Ron DeSantis (R) on Tuesday that would ban the state’s schools and private businesses from making people feel “discomfort” or “guilt” in regard to their race, sex, or national origin.

But he Says it's to protect everybody ! LOL only his followers are that gullible

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I love the C&P argument .. as if the information presented is somehow irrelevante
because the person who Posted it didn't write it .. not sure why youtube videos here are not looked at in the same negative Light ?

here's a C&P you'll support ..

Florida’s Senate Education committee approved a new bill supported by Florida governor Ron DeSantis (R) on Tuesday that would ban the state’s schools and private businesses from making people feel “discomfort” or “guilt” in regard to their race, sex, or national origin.

But he Says it's to protect everybody ! LOL only his followers are that gullible

if a democrat governor suggested the same exact thing, you’d love it.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if a democrat governor suggested the same exact thing, you’d love it.
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Jim cant love what wouldn't happen

So of use choose reason over fear

seem you choose fear lies and white guilt to justify these law changes Conservatives used the same methods to change Voter Laws they themselves approved before the last election

Calling it voter integrity.. when in fact it's agreeing that the Big lie happened .. and Just like CRT they insist it being Taught but can't prove it .. more conspiracy theories


Mississippi Senate passed a bill that would ban schools from teaching critical race theory.

The state superintendent of education has said critical race theory is not being taught in Mississippi schools and legislators have offered no evidence to show it is.

Jim you really dont live in Reality do you ?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

J
Mississippi Senate passed a bill that would ban schools from teaching critical race theory.

The state superintendent of education has said critical race theory is not being taught in Mississippi schools and legislators have offered no evidence to show it is.

From the way you put it, the superintendent is doing what the bill requires. The bill should help the superintendent to keep up the good work. Is that bad?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I love the C&P argument .. as if the information presented is somehow irrelevante

is that Italian?..."I deem your ridiculous argument irrelevante' !"

[Pete F.]

Hey, has DeathSantis caught up to NYS yet?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I love the C&P argument .. as if the information presented is somehow irrelevante
because the person who Posted it didn't write it .. not sure why youtube videos here are not looked at in the same negative Light ?

here's a C&P you'll support ..

Florida’s Senate Education committee approved a new bill supported by Florida governor Ron DeSantis (R) on Tuesday that would ban the state’s schools and private businesses from making people feel “discomfort” or “guilt” in regard to their race, sex, or national origin.

But he Says it's to protect everybody ! LOL only his followers are that gullible

This response from a Democrat Senator is precious:

“This bill’s not for Blacks, this bill was not for any other race. This was directed to make whites not feel bad about what happened years ago,” said Sen. Shevrin Jones (D-FL), adding, “At no point did anyone say white people should be held responsible for what happened, but what I would ask my white counterparts is, are you an enabler of what happened or are you going to say we must talk about history?”

He doesn't say white people should be held responsible for what happened in the past, but he would ask whites if they are enablers of (i.e. responsible for) what happened in the past.

I understand how you can enable the actions that are presently occurring, but enabling the actions of a past before you existed seems that it would require one of wdmso's time machines.

And is he saying that we don't talk about history? Is he saying that our schools don't teach what happened, don't teach about our history of slavery and how awful it was? I don't recall a time in my life that we haven't talked about slavery and the plight of blacks. I certainly learned about it in the schools I attended. I remember it being repeatedly referred to and explained in our various medias. It has been a continuous topic and cause of legislation as far as I can remember. We've had a plethora books, articles, movies, newscasts, debates, laws, regarding the stain in our history.

I guess we have arrived at a time when we must not only know about it, we must feel it. We are in the time of needing, foremost, to feel. And so we have to feel bad about what happened years ago.

Sure, we're not responsible for what happened before we were born, but if we do not feel bad about it, no matter how much we did legally to correct our past adherence to a universal centuries old evil (which we inherited--love the "inherited" excuse we like to use--as a result of being a part of the human race), no matter all that, we must be made to feel bad about it. Otherwise, even though we are not responsible for that past, if we don't feel bad about it, we have enabled it.

[PaulS]

Jim, you lied.

From the article you linked.

The murder rate was estimated to be 6.9 murders per 100,000 people in 2021. The 1996 murder rate was 7.4.

So how is 6.9 higher than 7.4?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Jim, you lied.

From the article you linked.

The murder rate was estimated to be 6.9 murders per 100,000 people in 2021. The 1996 murder rate was 7.4.

So how is 6.9 higher than 7.4?
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highest in 25 years. highest “since” 1996.

2021 - 1996 = 25.

i am sorry if i had a typo or something paul. the murder rate is the highest it’s been, since 1996. that was the last time it was higher than it is now.

In the early 1990s, crime was awful. So the country got serious about fighting crime. It worked. Crime dropped significantly.

here’s the difference between the two sides. After decades of tough anti crime laws and decreasing crime, a conservative would say “crime is low, which shows that what we did, worked.”

A liberal says “crime is low, therefore we don’t need all those laws, all those cops, all those prisons.”

They just don’t know how to interpret empirical results. which his exactly why liberals in Ct, every two years, say that “tax and spend is sure to work this time!”.

Liberals right now, have a softer spot for criminals than for victims. they will get judged for that. They may not like the outcome. it’s not a great time in history to decide that cops are the enemy, and that criminals are the victims. They made that bed, they can lie in it.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Jim, you lied.

From the article you linked.

The murder rate was estimated to be 6.9 murders per 100,000 people in 2021. The 1996 murder rate was 7.4.

So how is 6.9 higher than 7.4?
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Was 1996 not 25 years ago?
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[PaulS]

You're right I read it wrong and I apologize. Everything I have ever read says criminologist really don't know why the crime rate dropped from those historic highs in the 90s. Nor do they know why there has been a big increase in the last 2 years. The 2020 increase was gigantic and if I remember correct the 2021 is estimated to be another increase but its not as high percentage wise as in 2020. I thought I read that criminologist think the pandemic helped cause a decrease in minor crimes but an increase in Major Crimes. Again. I should not have said you lied and I apologize.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You're right I read it wrong and I apologize. Everything I have ever read says criminologist really don't know why the crime rate dropped from those historic highs in the 90s. Nor do they know why there has been a big increase in the last 2 years. The 2020 increase was gigantic and if I remember correct the 2021 is estimated to be another increase but its not as high percentage wise as in 2020. I thought I read that criminologist think the pandemic helped cause a decrease in minor crimes but an increase in Major Crimes. Again. I should not have said you lied and I apologize.
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no sweat.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You're right I read it wrong and I apologize. Everything I have ever read says criminologist really don't know why the crime rate dropped from those historic highs in the 90s. Nor do they know why there has been a big increase in the last 2 years. The 2020 increase was gigantic and if I remember correct the 2021 is estimated to be another increase but its not as high percentage wise as in 2020. I thought I read that criminologist think the pandemic helped cause a decrease in minor crimes but an increase in Major Crimes. Again. I should not have said you lied and I apologize.
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that’s not exactly the Stephen Hawking of criminologists who has no idea why crime dropped after we got tough on crime. when you put criminals in prison and keep them
there for awhile, how can crime not go down?

NYC was an absolute jungle. Guilliani got very tough in crime, crime went down. Deblasio undid that tough stance on crime, and crime increased.

those things could be a coincidence. common sense says there’s a connection, doesn’t it? ask parents, teachers, etc….sometimes guy have to get tough to stop unwanted behavior.

covid also likely plays a role as isolation doesn’t help
anyone’s mental health.
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[PaulS]

Crime went down across the country not just in New York
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[Pete F.]

The war on drugs started when I was in high school and that was a long time ago, it’s cost a trillion dollars and we spend 3+billion a year to keep people in prison for drug offenses.
Do you see that we’re winning, I don’t

Contrary to popular belief spending on police goes up every year and the results don’t improve.

It’s estimated that there’s 400 million guns owned by Americans and guns have been selling at a rate of over a million a month

Citizens United was 12 years ago today. It is the Patient Zero for most of our modern problems.

Twelve years ago the Supreme Court decided corporations are people under the First Amendment.

Today, sold-out politicians block progress on all fronts to appease their corporate donors.

Billionaire wealth - all time high, up 70% since the pandemic

Corporate profits - all time high

Global inequality - highest in over 100 years

Fifty percent of the U.S. workforce earned less than $35,000 in 2019, according to the Social Security Administration.

Keep the big picture in mind whenever people say that giving workers a raise causes problems.

The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Today, sold-out politicians block progress on all fronts to appease their corporate donors.

Billionaire wealth - all time high, up 70% since the pandemic

Corporate profits - all time high

Global inequality - highest in over 100 years



Keep the big picture in mind......


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hey pete...have you noticed that the more these big corporations and billionaires subscribe to the leftist agenda the bigger and more monopolistic they get? the more they donate to democrats and push leftist policies....I guess at some point they will become altruistic and begin dispersing all of their accumulated billions and trillions to the world to solve the global inequality problem

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

hey pete...have you noticed that the more these big corporations and billionaires subscribe to the leftist agenda the bigger and more monopolistic they get? the more they donate to democrats and push leftist policies....I guess at some point they will become altruistic and begin dispersing all of their accumulated billions and trillions to the world to solve the global inequality problem

pete complains about the influence of billionaire wealth, but recently, he bragged that a huge majority of uber wealthy are democrats.

which is it, pete? is it a good thing that the uber wealthy lean left, or bad?

talk about wanting to have it both ways.

as to the rich getting richer…what do you expect with a massive stock run up than spans 12 years? how would you prevent the wealthy from benefiting from that? would you pass a law, that says “once your net worth exceeds this threshold, you must keep all your money in an account that pays 0% interest”?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete complains about the influence of billionaire wealth, but recently, he bragged that a huge majority of uber wealthy are democrats.

which is it, pete? is it a good thing that the uber wealthy lean left, or bad?

talk about wanting to have it both ways.

as to the rich getting richer…what do you expect with a massive stock run up than spans 12 years? how would you prevent the wealthy from benefiting from that? would you pass a law, that says “once your net worth exceeds this threshold, you must keep all your money in an account that pays 0% interest”?
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The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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nowhere near answering the question i asked.

pete, is it a good thing or a bad thing, that ( as you correctly pointed out), the uber wealthy are mostly democrats?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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No, It is bc Guiliani is no longer mayor of NYC>

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

hey pete...have you noticed that the more these big corporations and billionaires subscribe to the leftist agenda the bigger and more monopolistic they get? the more they donate to democrats and push leftist policies....I guess at some point they will become altruistic and begin dispersing all of their accumulated billions and trillions to the world to solve the global inequality problem

The increase in violent crime is largely in the items above and no it doesn’t have a simple answer
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[PaulS]

Crime started to go down in New York in 1990. Giuliani was elected mayor and started the broken window policy in 1994. Crime continued to go down until recently even though New York stopped the Broken Window policy years ago.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Crime started to go down in New York in 1990. Giuliani was elected mayor and started the broken window policy in 1994. Crime continued to go down until recently even though New York stopped the Broken Window policy years ago.
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ask teachers, if you want order in the classroom, is it better to be strict, or better to be soft? it’s really that simple.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ask teachers, if you want order in the classroom, is it better to be strict, or better to be soft? it’s really that simple.
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So why did crime start to go down across the whole US 4-5 years before Guiliani was elected Mayor of NY?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So why did crime start to go down across the whole US 4-5 years before Guiliani was elected Mayor of NY?

From National Bureau of Economic research:
"During the 1990s, crime rates in New York City dropped dramatically, even more than in the United States as a whole. Violent crime declined by more than 56 percent in the City, compared to about 28 percent in the nation as whole. Property crimes tumbled by about 65 percent, but fell only 26 percent nationally."

Giuliani was mayor most of those years.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

From National Bureau of Economic research:
"During the 1990s, crime rates in New York City dropped dramatically, even more than in the United States as a whole. Violent crime declined by more than 56 percent in the City, compared to about 28 percent in the nation as whole. Property crimes tumbled by about 65 percent, but fell only 26 percent nationally."

Giuliani was mayor most of those years.

Trend started before Giuliani