Ukraine

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re the one finding obscure nobodies and saying they represent the entire gop. that is, when you’re not making stuff up about the gop.

i was taking your page out of your book. and you mocked it, without realizing you were mocking yourself

70% don’t view MTG favorably. you left that out. is that how Polls work that's new

what % of democrats view AOC and ihan Omar favorably? you didn’t mention for some
reason. . didn't have to. I never claimed they WERE THE PARTY you did

if your gibberish is rational, how do you explain what happened in VA and NJ, how do you explain polling? back to reguration
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Marjorie Taylor Greene says she’s the GOP base, not the fringe. We’ll see in 2022.

PS you know this thread is about Ukraine Correct




Once upon a time, if a Russian dictator felt tempted by the weakness of a Democratic president to invade a European country, the conservative reaction would have been uniform and predictable. not any more

Here's another one

A Marine Corps veteran running for Senate in Ohio's GOP primary does not "really care what happens to Ukraine" and is "sick" of President Joe Biden focusing on defending Ukraine's border and not our own.


or How about this Guy


President Joe Biden has fueled this Russian-Ukraine crisis by canceling the Keystone XL Pipeline his first day in office and waiving sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline, Putin's "lifeline," according to Sen. John Thune, R-S.D.

Someone should tell Thune the none of XL pipeline was even built under Trump But the Nord Stream 2 was and neither is even operational .... that what Fearmongering looks like


or Cruz Blasts Biden for Setting Stage to Russia's Threatened Invasion of Ukraine Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, on Sunday blamed President Joe Biden’s “weakness” for leaving Europe on the verge of war with Russia.


Cotton Decries Failure To Impose Sanctions To Deter Russian Invasion Of Ukraine now Cotton is siding with The Ukrainian president


I know Jim these are all obscure nobodies in the GOP

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Fact is, regardless of what reasons for it you conger up, Russia did not "make it into Poland" while Trump was POTUS. They weren't even threatening to.

seem you forgot your 1st post which I responded


Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
This is an example of how you see "more clearly and understand exactly"--conjecture, postulation, speculation . . .

So why didn't Putin make it into Poland while Trump was POTUS?

my response

Because Trump was working on the 1 and 2 on list he gave Trump 3,4,5 and 6 never happened because he wasn't re elected


So clearly I never mentioned Poland or Poland being threatened ..

you Did

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

seem you forgot your 1st post which I responded


Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
This is an example of how you see "more clearly and understand exactly"--conjecture, postulation, speculation . . .

So why didn't Putin make it into Poland while Trump was POTUS?

my response

Because Trump was working on the 1 and 2 on list he gave Trump 3,4,5 and 6 never happened because he wasn't re elected


So clearly I never mentioned Poland or Poland being threatened ..

you Did

Seems like you forgot that my "first post" to which you responded was a response to Pete F's post "If Trump was still POTUS Putin would be in Poland by now. His tiny hands are all over this crisis in Ukraine."

So either you were responding to my question to Pete about why Putin did not make it into Poland while Trump was POTUS, or you just happened to throw in some unrelated personal opinion about something else which I didn't ask for nor care about.

[Pete F.]

Former top Trump Russia advisor Fiona Hill did NOT mince words: “There's no Team America for Trump. Not once did I see him do anything to put America first. Not once. Not for a single second."
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Former top Trump Russia advisor Fiona Hill did NOT mince words: “There's no Team America for Trump. Not once did I see him do anything to put America first. Not once. Not for a single second."
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You and Fiona have a lot in common.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You and Fiona have a lot in common.

Thank you
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Thank you
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Yup, you're both rabid anti-Trumpers and would tell any lie to destroy him. She was "central to both spreading the Steele Dossier and ginning up the first Trump impeachment"--one a hoax and the other just usual dirty politics. Richard Grenell said "DC newsrooms protected Fiona Hill and allowed her to tell lies to further her career. She’ll say anything to climb the ladder. I worked closely with her. She is a serial liar."

[Pete F.]

Why is it that almost exclusively if you look at a Trump political operative, Grenell for example, you find connections to Eastern European Oligarchs?
And they fail to comply with FARA requirements.
Just like Manafort and Gates, we still don’t know what Manafort was hiding.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Why is it that almost exclusively if you look at a Trump political operative, Grenell for example, you find connections to Eastern European Oligarchs?
And they fail to comply with FARA requirements.
Just like Manafort and Gates, we still don’t know what Manafort was hiding.
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why do you "almost exclusively" resort to innuendo?

[wdmso]

The Kremlin says President Putin has decided to recognise the independence of two breakaway areas of Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

Yep But Biden Nato and the world is fear mongering

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

why do you "almost exclusively" resort to innuendo?

No, Manafort and Gates both were paid by Deripaska and Deripaska loaned Manafort 10M.
How did Manafort repay that?
Grenell was paid by Vladimir Plahotniuc, a sanctioned Oligarch.
As Putin said Americans are easy, I can buy all I need and he did.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No, Manafort and Gates both were paid by Deripaska and Deripaska loaned Manafort 10M.
How did Manafort repay that?
Grenell was paid by Vladimir Plahotniuc, a sanctioned Oligarch.
As Putin said Americans are easy, I can buy all I need and he did.
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What was illegal?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What was illegal?

Both Manafort and Gates were convicted.

What did Manafort not talk about?
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[Pete F.]

Meanwhile the dictator that Trump admired, is annexing portions of Ukraine.
Funny how the Devin Nunes lead Trump social media app times out perfectly with Putin potentially invading Ukraine. It’s almost like they all share the same info.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Both Manafort and Gates were convicted.

What did Manafort not talk about?
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What about Grenell? You threw Grenell into the mix after I quoted what he said about Fiona Hill--"Why is it that almost exclusively if you look at a Trump political operative, Grenell for example". There seemed to be some innuendo there about Grenell, perhaps, not being good as a reference.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Meanwhile the dictator that Trump admired, is annexing portions of Ukraine.
Funny how the Devin Nunes lead Trump social media app times out perfectly with Putin potentially invading Ukraine. It’s almost like they all share the same info.
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More innuendo?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What about Grenell? You threw Grenell into the mix after I quoted what he said about Fiona Hill--"Why is it that almost exclusively if you look at a Trump political operative, Grenell for example". There seemed to be some innuendo there about Grenell, perhaps, not being good as a reference.

Grenell is tangled up with Rudy, Toensing and that crowd.

“During the situation that was going on with the Firtash case, Victoria [Toensing] called Ric Grenell...

“She basically asked him, if he sees any pressure coming from DOJ to extradite Firtash, if he could let us know. She told me he said he would.”
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

More innuendo?

So what info did Trump remove from the White House and bring to the very secure Mar a Lago?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Grenell is tangled up with Rudy, Toensing and that crowd.

“During the situation that was going on with the Firtash case, Victoria [Toensing] called Ric Grenell...

“She basically asked him, if he sees any pressure coming from DOJ to extradite Firtash, if he could let us know. She told me he said he would.”
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Must be something there . . . eh? Did that "crowd" create or push the spread of the steele "Dossier?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The Kremlin says President Putin has decided to recognise the independence of two breakaway areas of Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

Yep But Biden Nato and the world is fear mongering

See post #24 of this thread.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Must be something there . . . eh? Did that "crowd" create or push the spread of the steele "Dossier?

There was no Russian Collusion except for the Don Jr Trump Tower Meeting, Sessions meeting with the Russian Amb, Manafort sharing polling data with a Russian agent, the troll farms, the Facebook ads paid in rubles, the Clinton emails released through Wikileaks coordinated by Roger Stone.

RUSSIAN Oligarch Oleg DERIPASKA Pays Back MITCH

- Dec 2018: McConnell pushed to lift sanctions on Deripaska, Putin ally

- May 2019: Rusal (Deripaska) invests $200 million in Kentucky aluminum plant, McConnell's state
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There was no Russian Collusion except for the Don Jr Trump Tower Meeting, Sessions meeting with the Russian Amb, Manafort sharing polling data with a Russian agent, the troll farms, the Facebook ads paid in rubles, the Clinton emails released through Wikileaks coordinated by Roger Stone.

RUSSIAN Oligarch Oleg DERIPASKA Pays Back MITCH

- Dec 2018: McConnell pushed to lift sanctions on Deripaska, Putin ally

- May 2019: Rusal (Deripaska) invests $200 million in Kentucky aluminum plant, McConnell's state
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Ah . . . so that "crowd" did not push the spread of the Steele "Dossier."

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Ah . . . so that "crowd" did not push the spread of the Steele "Dossier."

Did Steele make the Trumpkins claim they didn’t need banks, they got all the money they need from Russia?
Did Steele get Deripaska to forgive millions in loans to Manafort?
Did Steele meet with the Trumpkins in Trump Tower to get dirt on Hillary, British-born Goldstone adds in the exchange of 3 June 2016: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”
Seventeen minutes later, Trump Jr welcomes this with the reply: “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”
In a later email, Goldstone describes the Russian lawyer they are due to meet, Natalia Veselnitskaya, as a “Russian government attorney”.
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[Pete F.]

No need to watch Putin. Tucker Carlson will translate it all into Republican tonight.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Did Steele make the Trumpkins claim they didn’t need banks, they got all the money they need from Russia?
Did Steele get Deripaska to forgive millions in loans to Manafort?
Did Steele meet with the Trumpkins in Trump Tower to get dirt on Hillary, British-born Goldstone adds in the exchange of 3 June 2016: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”
Seventeen minutes later, Trump Jr welcomes this with the reply: “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”
In a later email, Goldstone describes the Russian lawyer they are due to meet, Natalia Veselnitskaya, as a “Russian government attorney”.
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Steele enabled the FBI to get an illegal FISA warrant that enabled a huge expensive ugly racist, sexist, homophobic hoax which threatened our Democracy and that Putin and Xi no doubt enjoyed.

[Pete F.]

As Putin invades, his spokesperson issued a statement: “Ukraine is not even a democracy .. Ukraine is a corrupt, Eastern European autocracy that has spent millions of dollars lobbying politicians in Washington and made the Biden family rich.”
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[Pete F.]

It's just so obvious to anyone paying attention. Putin was getting what he wanted from Trump and expecting even more. For example, last night on Russia's state TV they acknowledged: "Trump gave us a 4-year reprieve."
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It's just so obvious to anyone paying attention. Putin was getting what he wanted from Trump and expecting even more. For example, last night on Russia's state TV they acknowledged: "Trump gave us a 4-year reprieve."
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It's just so obvious to anyone paying attention, Russia did not invade Ukraine while Trump was POTUS.

[Pete F.]

Russia continues to occupy Ukraine
Trump was Putin's fan and beneficiary. Putin was never our good friend.
Words matter. It's a Putin crisis, not a Ukraine crisis. There are no separatists; they are Russian occupation forces. There is no Russian president; there is a dictator with nukes who wants the world to dance to his tune. Words matter, but they have never stopped a dictator.
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[scottw]

I wonder if wayne is following putin on truth social...I'm sure we'll get updates