Ukraine

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How come no word about the Turkish drones the UKR has? Wonder if they have been ineffective?

Extremely effective. They need more of these than anything.

Originally Posted by nightfighter

PETE, THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD

Take your Trump hate and go elsewhere, or that thread.

The fact that Switzerland has broken with the past, and for the first time, frozen accounts, in line with EU sanctions is a huge development.

^^^^ This

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Scary that now Putin is really in a bad position and the influx of supplies and troops seems to indicate a renewed commitment to take the capital city. I certainly hope all the new sanctions and arms aid help them hold Russia a bay long enough for the impact in Russia to start to make him think twice about going further.

I hope he does not retaliate or escalate. There is still a ton of #^&#^&#^&#^& he can do. Make sure you keep your heating tanks and gas tanks full, and have some cash when the ATM's don't work.

And for all of the No Fly Zone talk, enforcing it starts WWIII

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Extremely effective. They need more of these than anything.








^^^^ This




I hope he does not retaliate or escalate. There is still a ton of #^&#^&#^&#^& he can do. Make sure you keep your heating tanks and gas tanks full, and have some cash when the ATM's don't work.

And for all of the No Fly Zone talk, enforcing it starts WWIII

Only an idiot would consider a no fly zone as helpful.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Only an idiot would consider a no fly zone as helpful.

I disagree 100%. Yesterday and today the talk is of the 40 mile convoy. Their progress could be stopped, dead in their tracks with a wing of A-10s or other NATO aircraft. (I am shocked the roads have not been destroyed by the UKR ahead of the advance.) This heavy convoy presents a perfect target. Mark my words, we will relish getting a second chance at a shot like this... The time is slipping away.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I disagree 100%. Yesterday and today the talk is of the 40 mile convoy. Their progress could be stopped, dead in their tracks with a wing of A-10s or other NATO aircraft. (I am shocked the roads have not been destroyed by the UKR ahead of the advance.) This heavy convoy presents a perfect target. Mark my words, we will relish getting a second chance at a shot like this... The time is slipping away.

I had questioned why they hadn’t mined or dug up roads or placed barricades . But their leadership didn’t believe it was coming. They dropped the ball and now the want to be rescued by the west .

But sadly the loss of life in Ukraine will be horrible.! But if we or nato get involved it will jump 10 fold

Its a horrible way to look at it.
Yet it might be the responsible thing to do
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[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I disagree 100%. Yesterday and today the talk is of the 40 mile convoy. Their progress could be stopped, dead in their tracks with a wing of A-10s or other NATO aircraft. (I am shocked the roads have not been destroyed by the UKR ahead of the advance.) This heavy convoy presents a perfect target. Mark my words, we will relish getting a second chance at a shot like this... The time is slipping away.

Sounds like the convoy isn't moving very well at least for now. Reports of shortages of gas, food, morale is getting low and even some disabling their vehicles and walking away.

Saw a great video a guy took when he pulled up to a stopped armored personnel carrier in a town. He asks if they've broken down, the response no, we just ran out of gas. The driver asks if they need to be towed back to Russia and they just laughed.

John Bolton made a remark that a big reason for the timing of the invasion was simply that Russia wasn't ready. That seems clear.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like the convoy isn't moving very well at least for now. Reports of shortages of gas, food, morale is getting low and even some disabling their vehicles and walking away.

Saw a great video a guy took when he pulled up to a stopped armored personnel carrier in a town. He asks if they've broken down, the response no, we just ran out of gas. The driver asks if they need to be towed back to Russia and they just laughed.

John Bolton made a remark that a big reason for the timing of the invasion was simply that Russia wasn't ready. That seems clear.

So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

it was the element of surprise in reverse...or something

[scottw]

I heard hillary out lecturing on all things russia...good grief

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

John Bolton : “The fact is that [Trump] barely knew where Ukraine was. He once asked John Kelly, his second chief of staff, if Finland were a part of Russia. It’s just not accurate to say that Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians.”
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

Because his army was told to invade by Putin . You seem to think his generals have a lot of input and people stood up to Putin and said FYI boss were not ready. And he. Said okay
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[scottw]

I bet good spelling and coherent sentence structure is important when conveying military orders and communications....

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

Because Vladi told all his Generals and Leadership they would be greeted as liberators then his Generals and Leadership told Vladi they would be greeted as liberators and he believed them.

Greeted as liberators - heard that one before.


A lot of things don't make sense though. Are Russians really this bad? Such bad logistics? Keep in mind our logistics jumped through hoops to support tens of thousands of troops / units 10,000 miles away and across oceans yet Russia can't supply logistics to a country on it's border? An army moves on its stomach, right?

Why would Russia have lots of moves made by Territorial Guard Troops instead of their first line?

Why would Russia be handling comms with Baofengs you can get off Amazon?

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I hope he does not retaliate or escalate.

The way things are going today it looks like escalation is already underway. Maybe he just wants to extract a million pounds of flesh before declaring victory to the Russian people. Then he'll look for another target and wave his nukies in everyone's face for the next 20 years.

Did you see the video of the Ukrainian Ambassador reading the text from the soon to be dead Russian soldier? Pretty disturbing unless it was disinformation.

[nightfighter]

[QUOTE=JohnR;1223485}
And for all of the No Fly Zone talk, enforcing it starts WWIII[/QUOTE]

It already has... That is the brutal truth. One last chance for total cease of operations and retreat, or else. We are there! No one wants to say it. But we are. Need to stop that particular battle group/convoy as effectively as possible. Because the chemical, thermobaric, and nukes are going to be used.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

It already has... That is the brutal truth. One last chance for total cease of operations and retreat, or else. We are there! No one wants to say it. But we are. Need to stop that particular battle group/convoy as effectively as possible. Because the chemical, thermobaric, and nukes are going to be used.

As long as NATO is not in contact with RUS then no, we are not in WWIII. People need to understand that Russia is showing major weakness right now with conventional forces but they still have thousands of nukes. If they were not a nuclear power things would be different. If NATO and Russian forces go to war, a lot more people are going to die, with a decent chance everyone does.

[piemma]

Years ago there was a theory postulated called the MARS theory.
Stands for the Mass Annulation Retaliation Syndrome. Basically, if a nuclear power pushes the button, then everyone will and .......

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by piemma

Years ago there was a theory postulated called the MARS theory.
Stands for the Mass Annulation Retaliation Syndrome. Basically, if a nuclear power pushes the button, then everyone will and .......

Yup if one goes, we all go, I’m hoping Putin isn’t off his kgb nut.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Yup if one goes, we all go, I’m hoping Putin isn’t off his kgb nut.

I don't think a single nuke in Ukraine would automatically lead to all out nuclear war. One talking head today said that Putin wants to be regarded as one of the great Russian leaders, if everyone is dead there will be nobody to remember him.

In that event which is certainly possible I could totally see China stepping in to diffuse the situation with big territorial concessions as the price.