student loan forgivemess

[PaulS]

Yes, ND

I think is skims some of the cream of crop off. The kids who demonstrate all the things that people want their kids to be (polite, hard working, etc).

Someone who would bring a gun to school isn't going to get anything from those kids but maybe the people who work hard for their grades everyday can look up to them.

I think overall it is better to have those kids remain in the public schools. And that has nothing to do w/teachers or unions.

Edit: I also feel that citizens are providing an education to the students they shouldn't have to subsidize an "alternative" education. Sort of the same as a star band member in those same schools where there is a music teacher. Should there be funds for that student to go out and get private music lessons somewhere else.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes, ND

I think is skims some of the cream of crop off. The kids who demonstrate all the things that people want their kids to be (polite, hard working, etc).

Someone who would bring a gun to school isn't going to get anything from those kids but maybe the people who work hard for their grades everyday can look up to them.

I think overall it is better to have those kids remain in the public schools. And that has nothing to do w/teachers or unions.

Edit: I also feel that citizens are providing an education to the students they shouldn't have to subsidize an "alternative" education. Sort of the same as a star band member in those same schools where there is a music teacher. Should there be funds for that student to go out and get private music lessons somewhere else.

"maybe the people who work hard for their grades everyday can look up to them"

you're saying maybe. You'd deny these kids a better shot at escaping poverty, because "maybe" some kids left behind will miss them? The kids who are trying against all odds to succeed, it's THEIR responsibility to stay behind so that "maybe" some other kids look up to them?

"I think overall it is better to have those kids remain in the public schools."

But you won't specify why it's better, other than to say "maybe" there are kids left behind who will miss them. Isn't that kind of a thin reason?

"Sort of the same as a star band member in those same schools where there is a music teacher. Should there be funds for that student to go out and get private music lessons somewhere else"

This, isn't that. I'm talking about kids who are stuck in the worst schools in the country, not pulling a kid out of West Hartford public schools and sending them to the Juliard school of music.

Kids get pulled out of public schools regularly, when the public school isn't a good fit, if the kid isn't behaving, if the kid is being bullied, etc...

And I'm talking about situations where the private school isn't only far better, but is often far cheaper.

SO again, with due respect, you're basing your opposition to school choice, on the "maybe" that kids behind might miss the kids who leave. That really outweighs the incredible potential benefit to the kids whod leave?

Finally, if the left is opposed to using taxpayer money to fund private education, please explain why student loan forgiveness isn't limited to those who went to public universities. Isn't that a massive public subsidization of private school costs for those who chose to go there? Come on, Paul.

Many cities have public magnet and charter schools, which also take the cream of the crop out of horrible public schools. Are you opposed to this?

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