The 2024 candidates speak

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

News flash: If you outlaw abortions, criminalize providing gender affirming care for trans youth, dictate what educators can teach in schools, and stop people from voting, you're not the party of "limited government."

The sad truth is if Trump really wanted the GOP to disown him, he should have met with Liz Cheney instead of Kanye or Nick Fuentes.
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Conservatives want abortion decided at the state level, not at the federal level. That's perfectly in keeping with the idea of smaller federal government and more local control, which is the basis of conservatism. If it matters, it's also exactly in accordance with what the US constitution says. Once at the state level, advocating against the slaughter of a million unborn babies a year is hardly totalitarian. We like life. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way.

"criminalize providing gender affirming care for trans youth"

This is so new, no one has had a chance to think about anything, the left keeps running as far as it can into the liberal abyss. I'm not sure how I feel about physically or chemically mutilating kids who aren't capable of making those decisions yet. I know how I feel about forcing female athletes to share locker rooms with boys.

"dictate what educators can teach in schools"

You really are an idiot. The idea that parents can have a say in what gets taught, is exactly in line with the idea of small government. We want individuals to have some influence, rather than letting the government have all the say. Your philosophy, which is to take tons of money from parents but forbid them from having a meaningful say in how it's spent, is obviously the big government approach. As often is the case with you, you git it exactly wrong.

"stop people from voting cheating"

Do drug tests stop people from working?

Fixed it for you. I have a friend who voted via mail-in ballot. The security there is that they validate the signature on the ballot (because everyone is trained to be handwriting analysts, right?). He's right-handed. He signed his ballot with his left hand, and signed it intentionally to look nothing like anything he has ever signed before. His ballot was accepted. It's obviously ripe with potential for fraud. I picked up a mail-in ballot for a relative who's in a nursing home, they just handed it to me without asking any questions. They had no idea who I was, nor did they care. There's no conceivable way of knowing that she would be the one to fill it out and return it.

"you're not the party of "limited government."

You are when the other side wants the federal government to be massive.

Wayne does this too. He says that every time a conservative proposes any kind of law, that he's violating the principles of small government. Wanting small government, isn't the same as wanting zero government.

Stick to claiming that John Brown and Abe Lincoln were liberals.

[wdmso]

The my pillow guy would be an idiotic choice for head of RNC. your MAGA friends would disagree

Trump is a jerk who makes all kinds of mistakes. excuses so dining with a white supremacist is just a mistake

If counties fail to certify elections be deadlines, let's look into why, and fix it. more excuses they refused because their republicans claiming fraud

There. I addressed every single point you claimed I was silent on. Now show me the same courtesy and answer this question...

no really jim you just threw out some BS answers ... if any of those topics bothered you their would have been 3 paragraphs telling us about it

by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school

it's very easy JIM once you pay your taxes it's not your money anymore .. why is that a hard concept to understand , what's next you disagree with Military spending and you want your % of tax back or I don't own a car so give me my highway and roads % back declaring its my tax Money it's a fantasy that once you pay it's still somehow yours

student loan relief is no different than PPP loans .. its giving taxpayer money to others ... funny I never complained about it you never complained about it ... but once you were told to be outraged about the student loan issue you and the rest of the conservative world had a meltdown and we all know why Because it wasn't a republican who is attempting to do something for the average American

But giving billions in tax cut and free money to Businesses whether they needed it or not . you and republicans remained silent and took the money

And if school choice for poor inner city black and minorities to have a better education is the actual goal of school choice . then why should it apply outside underperforming school districts ..

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The my pillow guy would be an idiotic choice for head of RNC. your MAGA friends would disagree

Trump is a jerk who makes all kinds of mistakes. excuses so dining with a white supremacist is just a mistake

If counties fail to certify elections be deadlines, let's look into why, and fix it. more excuses they refused because their republicans claiming fraud

There. I addressed every single point you claimed I was silent on. Now show me the same courtesy and answer this question...

no really jim you just threw out some BS answers ... if any of those topics bothered you their would have been 3 paragraphs telling us about it

by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school

it's very easy JIM once you pay your taxes it's not your money anymore .. why is that a hard concept to understand , what's next you disagree with Military spending and you want your % of tax back or I don't own a car so give me my highway and roads % back declaring its my tax Money it's a fantasy that once you pay it's still somehow yours

student loan relief is no different than PPP loans .. its giving taxpayer money to others ... funny I never complained about it you never complained about it ... but once you were told to be outraged about the student loan issue you and the rest of the conservative world had a meltdown and we all know why Because it wasn't a republican who is attempting to do something for the average American

But giving billions in tax cut and free money to Businesses whether they needed it or not . you and republicans remained silent and took the money

And if school choice for poor inner city black and minorities to have a better education is the actual goal of school choice . then why should it apply outside underperforming school districts ..

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

wayne, we all benefit from roads and the military. Only your daughter benefits from going to college. that’s on her.

here’s an idea. when you take out a loan, you pay it back.

Crazy, i know.

Why is it ok for lu kid tax dollars to go to pay for your daughters college education, but not my kids private high school? Why do you have more of a right to those tax dollars

If my kids leave the public school, that helps the public school. Smaller class sizes, more money to spend on fewer kids. That’s a benefit to society.

Paying your kids student loan benefits you, no one else.

If your issue is that it’s public money, then give me a tax credit i stead of cutting me a check. Are you ok with school choice now?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

Again, in regards to your “Separation of Curch and State” comment

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So I take it then that there should be no federal grant money or student loan forgiveness for students who attended BYU, Wake Forest, Boston College, Notre Dame or any other private religious schools?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Again, in regards to your “Separation of Curch and State” comment


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I would say all those schools are listed have a religious component but they are not tied or funded directly by the church and you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese

Unlike the schools you listed, you can be of a different religious denomination and still apply and gain admission so I would think federal monies could be excepted not violating the separation of church and state

Because those properties are not owned and operated by the church or churches or masjid or synagogue

But that’s only my opinion
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I would say all those schools are listed have a religious component but they are not tied or funded directly by the church and you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese

Unlike the schools you listed, you can be of a different religious denomination and still apply and gain admission so I would think federal monies could be excepted not violating the separation of church and state

Because those properties are not owned and operated by the church or churches or masjid or synagogue

But that’s only my opinion
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There’s really no difference between Boston College and Saint John’s Prep in regards to their religious affiliation. Why is it OK to use tax dollars towards a BC education and not OK to use Tax Dollars towards a Saint John’s education?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

There’s really no difference between Boston College and Saint John’s Prep in regards to their religious affiliation. Why is it OK to use tax dollars towards a BC education and not OK to use Tax Dollars towards a Saint John’s education?
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St. John's University is a Roman Catholic institution open to students of all faiths.

However it's not funded and owed by the catholic church or other Church .. an affiliation Allows them have the ethics and belief system of their religion built into available programs, student organizations, and daily life.. but students are not mandated to attend or hold the same religious beliefs to attend ,

So there are no public funds to finance religious instruction and indoctrination.

As I see it like this If ones School choice is Church owned and Run and financed by a church diocese.. like All Saints Catholic School in fall River whom accept any student regardless of belief.

Still no public moneys should be allowed to fund students to attend it due to its Ownership and funding control

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I would say all those schools are listed have a religious component but they are not tied or funded directly by the church and you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese

Unlike the schools you listed, you can be of a different religious denomination and still apply and gain admission so I would think federal monies could be excepted not violating the separation of church and state

Because those properties are not owned and operated by the church or churches or masjid or synagogue

But that’s only my opinion
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"you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese"

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. NONE. Paul and I went to the same exact catholic high school, there were Jews and Muslims there. Same with the school my son goes to now. There are also openly gay students at my sons catholic high school.

These local schools are not wholly funded by the churches. Parents pay tuition. The church kicks in some to be sure, but not nearly all. Not even close!

You're literally making up whatever horsesh-t fits your opinion, instead of letting actual facts form your opinion.