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12-27-2022, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
he deported 700,000?
if that’s true, here’s data that says CBP stopped 2.76 million undocumented immigrants in 2022. where are they all?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517
wayne, the fact that no one on the left is calling the southern states and saying “send some to us, we want them” tells us what we need to honor about the hollow, empty virtue signaling. You want to talk they all and her credit, but you want someone else to pay for it. Classic liberalism.
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the fact that no one on the left is calling the southern states and saying “send some to us, we want them” tells us what we need to honor about the hollow, empty virtue signaling.
Keep thinking Jim they all stay in Texas and Arizona you love staying away from facts why is that?
So now you’re blaming other states for not reaching out to Texas
Wow more deflection in an attempt to dismiss defend and support Abbott disgusting behavior . By blaming others not surprised
Here are the 10 states with the highest percentage of immigrants:
California - 26.60%
New Jersey - 23.00%
New York - 22.30%
Florida - 21.20%
Hawaii - 18.80%
Nevada - 18.40%
Massachusetts - 17.60%
Texas - 17.20%
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12-28-2022, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
the fact that no one on the left is calling the southern states and saying “send some to us, we want them” tells us what we need to honor about the hollow, empty virtue signaling.
Keep thinking Jim they all stay in Texas and Arizona you love staying away from facts why is that?
So now you’re blaming other states for not reaching out to Texas
Wow more deflection in an attempt to dismiss defend and support Abbott disgusting behavior . By blaming others not surprised
Here are the 10 states with the highest percentage of immigrants:
California - 26.60%
New Jersey - 23.00%
New York - 22.30%
Florida - 21.20%
Hawaii - 18.80%
Nevada - 18.40%
Massachusetts - 17.60%
Texas - 17.20%
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that’s legal immigrants, right? data that doesn’t include illegals, is meaningless.
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12-28-2022, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
that’s legal immigrants, right? data that doesn’t include illegals, is meaningless.
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Ya Jim you’re back to you (what about the ones we don’t know )
They go we’re other immigrants live it not rocket science And actually the data doesn’t s specify legal or illegal.
Your a numbers guy. Why would you think un documented people would change those % by any meaningful percentage points
Estimates of the number of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. range from 10.5 million to 12 million, or approximately 3.2%–3.6% of the population.
so Jim you and republicans need to make up your minds and stop moving the goalposts
Is it a broken immigration system, or is it securing the same border Trump left Biden. That now it’s magically open ? Or is it dems importing Votes , or is it fentanyl
Hell now Republicans are cheering the SCJ legislating from the bench
Gorsuch is suddenly a Rino for stating the Truth
In his written dissent, Gorsuch, a Trump appointee, said he did not discount the states’ concerns about a potential border crisis but said “the emergency” on which the Title 42 orders were adopted “has long since lapsed.”
“For my part, I do not discount the States’ concerns,” wrote Gorsuch, who was joined by Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. “But the current border crisis is not a COVID crisis. And courts should not be in the business of perpetuating administrative edicts designed for one emergency only because elected officials have failed to address a different emergency. We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort.”
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12-28-2022, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Ya Jim you’re back to you (what about the ones we don’t know )
They go we’re other immigrants live it not rocket science And actually the data doesn’t s specify legal or illegal.
Your a numbers guy. Why would you think un documented people would change those % by any meaningful percentage points
Estimates of the number of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. range from 10.5 million to 12 million, or approximately 3.2%–3.6% of the population.
so Jim you and republicans need to make up your minds and stop moving the goalposts
Is it a broken immigration system, or is it securing the same border Trump left Biden. That now it’s magically open ? Or is it dems importing Votes , or is it fentanyl
Hell now Republicans are cheering the SCJ legislating from the bench
Gorsuch is suddenly a Rino for stating the Truth
In his written dissent, Gorsuch, a Trump appointee, said he did not discount the states’ concerns about a potential border crisis but said “the emergency” on which the Title 42 orders were adopted “has long since lapsed.”
“For my part, I do not discount the States’ concerns,” wrote Gorsuch, who was joined by Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. “But the current border crisis is not a COVID crisis. And courts should not be in the business of perpetuating administrative edicts designed for one emergency only because elected officials have failed to address a different emergency. We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort.”
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i think gorsuch has a point, but i don’t know if we know that covid isn’t still a crisis among people
who are crossing illegally.
in any event, unlike you, i don’t expect those on my side to tow the line 100% of the time. i like people who think, not sheep who bleat what they are told.
I love Gorsuch.
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12-28-2022, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
i think gorsuch has a point, but i don’t know if we know that covid isn’t still a crisis among people
who are crossing illegally.
in any event, unlike you, i don’t expect those on my side to tow the line 100% of the time. i like people who think, not sheep who bleat what they are told.
I love Gorsuch.
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I don't think Wayne understands what legislating from the bench is. Gorsuch was doing the opposite of that. His choice was to strike down a policy, not create one.
And he also pointed out even though the border crisis, in his opinion, was no longer a Covid one, that it is still a crisis. Don't see how any of that makes him a Rino as Wayne implied. Republicans ("Conservatives") would agree with Gorsuch that, in his words, "We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort.” As well, they would agree, as they have been vociferously saying, that the border situation is a crisis.
Democrats (Progressives), on the other hand, for the past hundred years, have acted as if the Court should create policies. And they have a problem with admitting that there is any unusual crisis at the border--nor do they seem anxious to stem the tide of border crossers.
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12-28-2022, 02:42 PM
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I don't think Wayne understands what legislating from the bench is. Gorsuch was doing the opposite of that. His choice was to strike down a policy, not create one.
And he also pointed out even though the border crisis, in his opinion, was no longer a Covid one, that it is still a crisis. Don't see how any of that makes him a Rino as Wayne implied. Republicans ("Conservatives") would agree with Gorsuch that, in his words, "We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort.” As well, they would agree, as they have been vociferously saying, that the border situation is a crisis.
Democrats (Progressives), on the other hand, for the past hundred years, have acted as if the Court should create policies. And they have a problem with admitting that there is any unusual crisis at the border--nor do they seem anxious to stem the tide of border crossers.
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You really dont pay attention do you ... who voted to keep it? and are now legislating from the bench.. and republicans suddenly support it.
yes the daggers are already out for Gorsuch from the faithful who are disgusted he broke ranks ...
but please keep thinking that's not happening
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12-28-2022, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
You really dont pay attention do you ... who voted to keep it? and are now legislating from the bench.. and republicans suddenly support it.
yes the daggers are already out for Gorsuch from the faithful who are disgusted he broke ranks ...
but please keep thinking that's not happening
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I try to pay attention to what you say, but you make it difficult to do. Some of the stuff you say is crazier than stuff Trump says, and it's just as disjointed as his rhetoric. I couldn't tell, from the way you presented it, if you were saying that Gorsuch was legislating from the bench or if it was the other Justices. In either case, you didn't make it clear how they, whoever, was doing the legislating. Voting to keep a policy that was put in place by Congress, or the President, is not legislating from the bench--it is affirming that existing legislation, or policy, made by those others as constitutional. It's what SCOTUS is supposed to do, affirm or strike down. Neither of those decisions is "legislating." Legislating from the bench is when Judges impose their personal opinion (rather than the Constitution) on the law in question in ways that the Judges subjectively consider "good" or socially "just" for society, regardless of, or entirely outside of, the scope and intent of the policy in question--thusly creating "legislation" that was not passed by Congress into law.
It can't tell if you either don't know what you're talking about, or you actually believe that Judges affirming or striking down a law is legislating from the bench. If you believe that, then you would have to believe that the judges are supposed to legislate from the bench since upholding or striking down a law is their constitutional duty--which, I guess, would be sort of the same as you not knowing what you're talking about.
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