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Originally Posted by Rmarsh

Some people have a problem with deporting illegal immigrant criminals. I do not. We have some people that have threatened or alluded to leaving the country if Trump was to get elected. I hope they will but i'm afraid they are just full of #^&#^&#^&#^&

The deportations begin soon and i support that 100%.

And who deported more illegal criminals than Trump? Obama did of course. We’ve always prioritized deporting criminals, this is nothing new.

As John alluded to the issue is we need immigration reform that also takes into account the large contribution immigrant workers contribute to our economy.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

And who deported more illegal criminals than Trump? Obama did of course. We’ve always prioritized deporting criminals, this is nothing new.

As John alluded to the issue is we need immigration reform that also takes into account the large contribution immigrant workers contribute to our economy.

I dont care who deports them. Trumps plan will far surpass anything Obama did. No amount of illegal is good for our country. The illegals I know have no insurance, pay no taxes, broke the law coming here, created a housing shortage, drain our resources, and the work they do is shiddy at best. That outweighs what you call their contributions. Biden was in cognitive decline from day one in office and Kamala is not leadership material to say the least. Keep that avatar though ...she may run again in 2029...I hope. This is day 1....Trump has declared a national emergency...https://x.com/i/status/1881423409898508484

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

And who deported more illegal criminals than Trump? Obama did of course. We’ve always prioritized deporting criminals, this is nothing new.

As John alluded to the issue is we need immigration reform that also takes into account the large contribution immigrant workers contribute to our economy.

No - we had that - it was the Reagan era Amnesty.


We need a guest worker system - big difference with increase in the front door

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Originally Posted by JohnR

No - we had that - it was the Reagan era Amnesty.


We need a guest worker system - big difference with increase in the front door

I never said anything about amnesty, I was talking specifically about a guest worker program that recognizes ten percent (I’ve read) of our economy is driven by illegal immigrants. Codify it into law so immigrant workers don’t feel the need to fly under the radar. Problem now for instance is they’ll require people to register and check in then detain them when they do in good faith.

Do this to get currently illegal workers on the books then increase penalties for employers who don’t comply. Instead of insulting and mocking our neighbors work with them to address root causes as we can never militarize our border enough nor should we need to.

What looks to be the current plan sounds to me a lot like Iraq after 911, disrupt the status quo and democracy will flourish but in this case it’s a belief Americans will fill in those jobs. Both were/are fools errands. All Trump is going to do is cause suffering and potentially mutate who we are which is a nation of immigrants.

Two years ago my neighbor had three building reroofed by a Guatemalan crew, no idea if they were all here legally but they were fast, clean, professional and did top quality work. I also work with a number of people on H1b visas. It’s not just that US companies are better off with top talent, in a global economy tech companies are more effective when they can integrate rather than work country to country.

The can has been kicked down the road so many times it’s not an easy problem to solve, but a go it alone approach rooted in xenophobia and a LOT of misinformation simply isn’t going to make our country stronger.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

I never said anything about amnesty, I was talking specifically about a guest worker program that recognizes ten percent (I’ve read) of our economy is driven by illegal immigrants. Codify it into law so immigrant workers don’t feel the need to fly under the radar. Problem now for instance is they’ll require people to register and check in then detain them when they do in good faith.

Do this to get currently illegal workers on the books then increase penalties for employers who don’t comply. Instead of insulting and mocking our neighbors work with them to address root causes as we can never militarize our border enough nor should we need to.

What looks to be the current plan sounds to me a lot like Iraq after 911, disrupt the status quo and democracy will flourish but in this case it’s a belief Americans will fill in those jobs. Both were/are fools errands. All Trump is going to do is cause suffering and potentially mutate who we are which is a nation of immigrants.

Two years ago my neighbor had three building reroofed by a Guatemalan crew, no idea if they were all here legally but they were fast, clean, professional and did top quality work. I also work with a number of people on H1b visas. It’s not just that US companies are better off with top talent, in a global economy tech companies are more effective when they can integrate rather than work country to country.

The can has been kicked down the road so many times it’s not an easy problem to solve, but a go it alone approach rooted in xenophobia and a LOT of misinformation simply isn’t going to make our country stronger.

Illegal immigrants have suppressed wages for blue collar legal citizens of this country. Do you know what quality work is? I see their work every day and it sucks. They will confiscate any tools that are not locked down. They pay no taxes whatsoever dont have workers comp coverage no paid holidays , most of their money is sent back home, they dont love our country, they just use our system to subsidize their criminality. That all will come to an end thankfully. Maybe the elites will have to pay a little more for their roofs, aint that a crying shame.

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Originally Posted by Rmarsh

Illegal immigrants have suppressed wages for blue collar legal citizens of this country. Do you know what quality work is? I see their work every day and it sucks. They will confiscate any tools that are not locked down. They pay no taxes whatsoever dont have workers comp coverage no paid holidays , most of their money is sent back home, they dont love our country, they just use our system to subsidize their criminality. That all will come to an end thankfully. Maybe the elites will have to pay a little more for their roofs, aint that a crying shame.

I was citing one anecdote that just because it’s an immigrant crew doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad. Many of the issues you mentioned can be mitigated by a guest worker program that’s above the table with employer enforcement, and yes, a lot of illegal workers today do pay taxes and receive no direct benefits.

Housing costs are already sky high and simply deporting people is only going to drive them higher, this isn’t a problem for just the elite, it’s really hurting first time home owners.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

I was citing one anecdote that just because it’s an immigrant crew doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad. Many of the issues you mentioned can be mitigated by a guest worker program that’s above the table with employer enforcement, and yes, a lot of illegal workers today do pay taxes and receive no direct benefits.

Housing costs are already sky high and simply deporting people is only going to drive them higher, this isn’t a problem for just the elite, it’s really hurting first time home owners.

People who are here illegally, means they committed a crime, they are criminals. Pretty sure I have lots more knowledge of how they use the system than you. I live and work amongst them every day And please dont give me that crap that they are paying taxes...that is total BS.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

means they committed a crime, they are criminals.

You referring to the Fascist in Chief, I assume?

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Originally Posted by Rmarsh

People who are here illegally, means they committed a crime, they are criminals. Pretty sure I have lots more knowledge of how they use the system than you. I live and work amongst them every day And please dont give me that crap that they are paying taxes...that is total BS.

Not necessarily, being here illegally isn’t alone a crime. For it to be a crime a person would had to have been removed and then found to be back in the US. Remember about half of undocumented people have simply overstayed their visa.

As for taxes, I’d wager a lot of the undocumented folks you encounter in the trades are off the books when it comes to state and federal but not all undocumented immigrants are and they all pay other taxes to the tune of about $100 billion a year.

Listen, I’m not saying illegal imigrants all do great work but it seems more like the business owners are looking to make more money through cheaper labor and most people don’t know the difference which is always going to be a problem if the system isn’t reformed.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

Illegal immigrants have suppressed wages for blue collar legal citizens of this country. Do you know what quality work is? I see their work every day and it sucks. They will confiscate any tools that are not locked down. They pay no taxes whatsoever dont have workers comp coverage no paid holidays , most of their money is sent back home, they dont love our country, they just use our system to subsidize their criminality. That all will come to an end thankfully. Maybe the elites will have to pay a little more for their roofs, aint that a crying shame.

It’s odd the same things you spew. Were said about. The Irish the Italians the Portuguese. The Vietnamese. And every immigrant community before them .. funny how that works.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by wdmso

It’s odd the same things you spew. Were said about. The Irish the Italians the Portuguese. The Vietnamese. And every immigrant community before them .. funny how that works.

I married the daughter of a legal immigrant. What part of illegal is hard for you?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

I married the daughter of a legal immigrant. What part of illegal is hard for you?

Legal or illegal. The same tropes you repeated applied to all the immigrant groups . Even from way back then. And define a legal immigrant from the 30s.