will do that tonight bob, i have been pulling through at 90 degree angle will change that. putting in the tie off loop early in the wrap makes sense for the pull through with no trim gonna practice that too, will check out those fiskars snips mike and get more straight edge blades. will post pics soon of rod, looking good. went with metalic pewter under wraps with ice blue metalic trim band and metalic silver trim band over wraped with black nylon thread for the guides. i got the gunmetal framed guides with the blue ring and went with a fugi plate type reel seat on cork tape handle, 1 striped decal and a nice clean butt wrap. pics soon thanks for your help
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