Conventional confusion

[Diamond Tackle]

ok, now your just makin stuff up to bust my stones. its the opposite.
As proof take a close look at how a LARGE bobbin of thread is wound, then get back to me. Those bobbins are wound tight and proper. They do parallell but they also traverse (a relative of mine is in the knitting business, so just take my word for it)

[fishweewee]

John, I was using heavier than 50 lb. on a non-levelwind, chunking with 8nbait. I will never use Spectron again, it cost me a nice fish.

[Adam R]

I've been using 35# Cortland Spectron on my Penn 525 mags and 980's for several years and have not had many problems at all with it. It does leave some nasty grooves in my left thumb, but everything else I've used does also.
I usually cut back several feet of line before every trip or after a fish gets me into the rocks, but you should do that with any line.
I'm less than thrilled with my 525 mags. They are great casting reels but I've had a ton of problems with them. Drags, eccentric springs, bearings...
I tear them down and clean them / re-oil & grease about every 3 or 4 trips, so it's not like they are being neglected. They just don't hold up well to heavy use.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Tinman

ok, now your just makin stuff up to bust my stones. its the opposite.
As proof take a close look at how a LARGE bobbin of thread is wound, then get back to me. Those bobbins are wound tight and proper. They do parallell but they also traverse (a relative of mine is in the knitting business, so just take my word for it)

Nah, not busting your stones, looking at it from a wire perspective and how to increase the amount of line on the spool. Since its 0 stretch, think of it like a big spool of wire. Its stacked tight. I know what you're talkin about with large bobbins, but spools aren't *that* large. Look at a small spool of thread, its solid and tight turns.

[Saltheart]

Tinman , Nope , no experience at all with spectron , levelwind and non levelwind reels or even fishing in general. Just pulling it all out of my butt.

Oh wait I forgot , I went through everything you are talking about in 1997 and decided to fish Spectron on levelwind reels. I seem to remember doing all the hoopla changing bearings and removing levelwinds on Mag elites and trying them with both whiplash and spectron putting them back on with levelwind bearings from C4's so it had bearings on both ends and doing the rocket fuels and abec 7 bearing dance and buying Whiplash and tossing it and finally settling on the BG 7000CL with 50 Lb spectron. .

Anyone using 50 lb or less whiplash with a jig that weighs more than 2 OZ is setting themselves up for disaster. I know guys who use 65 LB Ok at the canal. I think if I used whiplash , I'd want 80 pound or so.

I don't know what you are doing that is giving you overruns do to the way the line is laying down on your spools. I never had the problem in 8 years of using 35 Lb or 50 LB Spectron on 6500 Abus , 7000 Abus , 9000 Abus or Calcutta 250's , 400's or the big Calcutta (700?). My guess is you're casting technique is lacking something and therefore you are blowing up reels and blaming your line.

[Diamond Tackle]

Salt,
Next time ill use lots of smilies so you dont get so offended. Were all just enthusiastically trying to share info here. Im not trying to insult you or question your experience, sorry if it came off like that.Some guys I fish with swear by on thing never even having tried the alternative, maybe its the joisey coming out. again I apologize.
Perhaps we can agree to disagree.
btw, My 700 calcuttas(non levelwind) also work very well with 50 whiplash, and thats with 8 oz of lead and a bunker head. No disasters yet.Just gotta wet the line first with a handful of water .
Just different experiences I guess.Been casting conv for over 25 yrs now,so my casting technique is not lacking I assure u. Hey, but none of us here are Ron Arra, so we can all learn from each other, myself most definitley included.

Likwid, i was referring to the bobbins, correct.

[fishweewee]

Everyone is different. Do what makes ya happy.

[fishsmith]

No need to drop the gloves save that for winter months. However the conflicting opinions are what make these threads (this site) so much better than sponser driven articles. The list of reels below are in order of what is recommended by SB members for a reel used to chuck bait/eels on a ten ft conventional rod -
Abu 7000
Squidder
Diawa sloSH30
Penn 525
Calcutta 400
Cabo PT
Avex SX

[sokinwet]

By American made, get the Penn and learn to use your thumb; you'll thank me the 1st time you need to replace parts.

[likwid]

Not all Penns are made in the US anymore.

[Rob Rockcrawler]

Fishsmith,
if your corsair crapped out on you send it back to them with a brief explanation. You dont even really need a note. I sent two back, one two years ago and they upgraded me to the gold one. That one crapped last fall, sent it back to them and they replaced it with a corvallus, they say its an impovement, im not really sure if is or not but its a new reel. They are great at replacing reels. I use the corcallus for freshwater bass and for throwing lighter stuff in the salt. Have the abu 7000 for the canal and have used the corsair there too. Its a throw away reel but since ya just send it back for a new one its not quite a throw away.

[NIB]

I understand what T-man is tryin to say.He likes to lay the line on by hand because the level wind does not overlay the braid well.in other words on the retrieve he moves his guide thumb back an forth much faster creating a wide crisscross pattern that helps to keep the line from diggin way into the spool when tryin to free a stuck jig. If I was gonna trow lures in excess of 1 oz I would use my 7000/7500 BG ABU's wit the level wind smaller lures get the trophy 6500 or a BG 6500.I also have a few 7700 morums that I will punish when in need of a stronger reel.there not as good casting but the one piece frame is a tourqe monster also no longer made.I use any thing from 50- 80 lb braids or 25-50 lb mono depends on what an where's.

[fishsmith]

Thanks Rob Rock!! I'll do that.